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... another trilogy? Something to continue the story in the Morningstar world.

If I were to write it, it would feature a much smaller cast, and the structure would mirror that of the original trilogy, with two groups which come together in the end. Probably rogue military elements would be antagonistic, which would retain the military flavor of the first set. And, you know, zombies.

In feel, it would be in-line with The Road Warrior, probably.

What do we think of Z.A. Recht's Morningstar Strain IV to VI? And who is your dream author for it, besides our erstwhile Z?

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Well, let me waid into this topic.....I'm torn on this.  I generally dislike continuations of an creators work if they're not involved.  It's so easy to go astray from what they may have wanted...and sometimes the fans are a bit critical.  [wink]  If you know what I mean.   I find that new author are like Hollywood directors nowdays...they want to put their stamp of creativity on the product and it usually sucks ass.  No, it usually sucks nuts....and without going into a raint.....sucks.  Killing off the original characters or changing them to something that leaves you thinking.... "What the fuck?  Who wrote this shit?"  

NOW, if someone could re-read the 1st and 2nd books a dozen times....and get the Z-honest's truth and feel, then I'd say go for it. Otherwise, I'll get my dick-head boots on and tear it up.  

As for you, as a writer you have promise, and if your faithful to the source material, you might actually be a damn decent writer one day.  [wink]   And how does the Road Warrior tie in with Z's work?  I love all the MM movies....and hope the new one will not suck ass.....ass of a sweaty sumo wrestler with the runs....but I imagine a MM type scenario is a few years after the initial books.

As for the writer...I don't give a fuck....just make it authentic to Z's style and ....... style.  If not, then make a whole series and call it something else.
  

Just me thoughts old son.  You asked, I told.  [smile]





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How about NO! but but that road warrior with zeds sounds cool. Of all the stories you read and see on tv/movies you rarely see the Zedpaw from the perspective of bandits and marauders. 
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Nope.  Personally, I don't like the idea of an author writing under another's name (even if it does say "With Thom Brannan" under Zach's name).  No offense intended at all, Thom.  However, you should pursue this idea separately from the MSS trilogy because it's interesting.
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And how does the Road Warrior tie in with Z's work?  I love all the MM movies... but I imagine a MM type scenario is a few years after the initial books.


... keep following this train of thought.

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Nope.  Personally, I don't like the idea of an author writing under another's name (even if it does say "With Thom Brannan" under Zach's name).  No offense intended at all, Thom.  However, you should pursue this idea separately from the MSS trilogy because it's interesting.


Actually, Z's name would be up with the title, kind of like Don Pendelton's on The Executioner books (see below) or Robert B. Paker's on the new Spenser and Jesse Stone books. I see what you mean, though.

Oh, and it might not be me.

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Ah, the Executioner... Such a good series.
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How they do it is inside on the copyright page, there will be a sentence like, "Special thanks to Umpty Author for his contribution to this work." The same for The Destroyer. My good friend Doug Wojtowicz writes for The Executioner, Stony Man and Outlanders, and I've thought pretty hard about getting his help for this. Adventure is his life's work, and he writes a mean goddamn zombie story. And yes, he knows everything there is to know about guns, hah.

There is nothing official, nothing even written in sand. Right now, everything is idle speculation unless the publishers and the family get involved and someone says "yes." And like I said before, it might not be me at all. I have no idea how the process would work for finding an author. I'd imagine the auditioning process would go like it did for Survivors, with a plot outline submittal and a projected timeline for book delivery.

SPREAD THE WORD. If something like this comes to fruition, and you're sitting at home with a file or email you got from Z with plot elements which didn't make it into the trilogy, don't wait until the next set of books is started to come forward.

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Well if you want to do it that way fine, but me I'd rather not be in someone elses shadow.
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LOL, there are eighteen items on my Amazon page, with at least six more coming... one of them is MSS. I'm not laboring in anybody's shadow. [smile]
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I've read a good amount of fiction, I know the ins and outs of someone writing for another (I've read almost every one of William W. Johnstone's work) and it kind of sucked when I got to the point that he stopped writing.  Have you ever gone into a basement and felt that unsettling change in the air?  It was something like that.

I'd like to see a continuation, but I know the one guy I'd want at the helm [frown]

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I felt the same way going into the after-Robert B. Parker Spenser books, but Ace Atkins does not disappoint. And the Will Murray volumes in The Destroyer are just as good as Warren Murphy and Richard Sapir.

I think your enjoyment of the product will depend on how married you are to who is or is not writing it. (Not you, specifically.) For this crew, it will definitely put a damper on whatever was to follow.

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You have a good point.  It's all down to perspective.
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Again, I go back to the characters.  If your write a story in the same universe as another author created, the characters better be like the original did them.  God, that's why I hate the Star Trek and Star Wars books so much.....to much liberal application of a new authors creativity.  Now, if you use new characters, as were done in the last MSS book.....then I'm OK with that.  

If Brewster's in it, you need to puss-a-fie him.....make him the cool dude he was originally.  And no....Brewster's settled down and married and his son is now continuing on with the mission he started type crap.  Maybe if you kinda followed a vein like seen in Able Team, The Survivalist (but not as tacky and graphic just for titillation), or The Guardians series by Richard Austin.

BTW, nice shout outs to the Executioner and Destroyer, but where's the love for the Death Merchant?  That dude was awesome.

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A return to how the characters originally were might be fun. On the other hand, they just lived through the end of the world.

What does that do to a person?

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Well, we've had hundreds of thousands of Americans and foreign nationals go through 13 years of conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan who have experienced lots of dramatic change, but basically are still the same as they were at the beginning....aside from their point of view.....but they still try to maintain the original self if you know what I mean.  Several people from the forum here have had traumatic experiences in war, school, church, or at work and they still haven't made dramatic changes from who they were before that.  Except for Sage..... but we won't talk about that event at the strip club.

I would probably say "NOT" to continue it as sequels to the MSS trilogy, but make it something new within the same world. Like people do with the Tom Clancy books, or Star Wars.  It's in the same universe with common elements.  Thom B's new series in the world of the Z man.  I know, nit picky.

Can we get any spoilers such as how far past the initial trilogy the timeline of a potential new series would be?  10 years, etc, etc.

As for authors....assuming this is a Permuted Press Production (que the lion to roar)....I would figure it's an in-house writer, which includes you.....I'm kinda partial to Bryon Morrigan; Iain McKinnon; J.L. Bourne.  Outside of your contribution to the MSS series, I actually haven't read anything else you've done; so, I'm not sure what your writing is like beyond that.  Sorry.

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I figure I might as well put my 2 cents in. Lots of interesting posts with some opinions to think about.

My take is do what truly feels right to you and let the cards fall were they may. All stories have been told over and over they say there are only six or seven basic plots. It's the story teller that makes one great.  





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Talks.

More news as warranted.


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hmmm. I am really torn, new chars in the Morningstar verse I don't see a problem there. I mean it was global. we have no idea what happened in San antonio TEXAS!!!! (hehe just for you tom)  or nova scotia, Fairbanks, Glasgow, etc. lot of room for new char stories. and just cause they found a vaccine, distribution is another matter globally. but dragging out some of the chars I am iffy about, Brewster is ok, I actually don't like him but he exited to wander about so makes sense.
crap I say beta test it lol

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There is tons of room for expansion.  I remember Z saying he would explain where the virus came from (he said it was in africa, in the Rift Valley region), and WHY the Dr and the General were being monitored.  What made the NSA decide to tap their communications in the first place?

Using new characters, I would be ok with.

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I think that if you have a sincere desire to continue the Saga, then go for it. There will be those who hate it and some who may even like the new trilogy. Give me a good plot and interesting characters and I will read it. 

I only knew Z for a short time, but I can't see  him objecting to someone with a real need to add to the Morningstar story.   Its a complement to him and to the universe he created.

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I think that if you have a sincere desire to continue the Saga, then go for it. There will be those who hate it and some who may even like the new trilogy. Give me a good plot and interesting characters and I will read it. 

I only knew Z for a short time, but I can't see  him objecting to someone with a real need to add to the Morningstar story.   Its a complement to him and to the universe he created.


Agreed, Z was very supportive of fans adding to his universe. He was always kind with support and compliments and thoughts from what I saw.

Just because some fans (me at times) may not like, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.   Hell, I've been tinkering with a piece for years now.

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We're* setting up talks with Mary Recht, and one of the things we'd like from the estate is how long after the close of Survivors they'd like to see the opening of MSSIV.

*"We" is Doug Wojtowicz, the Permuted guys, and me.

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 Doug Wojtowicz,  


Are we talking about THE Doug Wojtowicz who did work on the Mack Bolan and the Outlanders  series?  Criminy, your pulling out the big guns...and you'll even have that Thom/Thon/Thor guy helping out.  

I can see a series paralleling the original one...with different characters...but either within the original group, or doing a storyline that runs at the same time as the first.

That, or, one that takes place a bit after the first three detailing the guv-mints attempt at winning, losing, or stalemate with "War Against the Plague"....hopefully with a bit more luck than the "War Against Crime" and "War Against Drugs.".


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Yes, that Doug. We got together six years ago (or so) and he helped me with my World of Trouble project. (More news on that as it warrants, as well.) I said earlier he was a good example of ghostwriting done right, and talked to him about this. I don't know how the actual writing process will work, but we're going to collaborate on the overall story, for sure.
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There were so many places in the series that a side story could have easily branched off from, or been enlarged upon.

Thoughts from the 1st Book 

The initial monitoring processing by the NSA.  How this started and why, the agents involved in it, their interactions with Mason and Sawyer, but the fighting in DC. The eventual manhunt for the Mason, Demillio, etc.  

Survivors from Suez or Sharm, how they deal with being left behind and escape from the African continent, or learn to deal with being imprisoned there.

And as Nyghtreaver mentioned; the backstory behind what was happening here in the US.  How the virus got here, it's spread, the civilian and military reaction.  Include the story about the airstrikes that we heard about on the Ramage, fill in the missing pieces of what the interceptions left out.  The over-running of the cities in California and possibly people watching the naval bombardment of those cities.

and so on....not evening getting into the other books and what was hinted at, or passed by.

Heck, I'm sure the story around the small airport where they siphoned gas and found the plane full of zombies could be made into a decent short story talking about what happened there or led up to it.



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