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Interesting very interesting. Is that where you are building your end of the world shelter.

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Would I broadcast it on the internet, if I were? =)

Honestly, maybe. Properties elsewhere are so damn expensive and my prospects are so limited that I am stuck with crappier real estate--which really isn't a problem, since land is just land once you have a shelter built on it and a well dug. Still, it would suck to have to drive an hour to the store for a pack of smokes. And I would love a property with trees and streams and green grass, because that's the kind of landscape I grew up in. I think I would feel very out of place in a desert landscape, or even in the tundra-like foothills west of the Rockies. I'd be at home in the Northwest US, or in the Rockies themselves, or anywhere East of the Mississippi River...but I would just feel like an immigrant on the plains or in the desert. Give me rolling elevations and oak trees and birds and brooks and I'm a goddamn bug in a rug.

And yet--if I ever want my own homestead, it's looking like extreme rural is the only way I'll ever get it. I can console myself by realizing that within thirty years what is now extreme rural will probably be sub-urban.


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Would you build said shelter above ground bellow or both?  Because I could see pros and cons for all 3.
But yeah if I went somewhere without farms everywhere I would be uncomfortable.



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I would put a cabin above ground to start with. I'd love something underground and more permanent, but I'd want to move in and settle down first before building it. I could do portions of the construction myself over the years. I'd almost have to to save cash. The cabin itself--I've done checking--would run me around $25,000 to build. 700 square feet. The land I want to budget $5,000 for. The well, $10,000. This is all bare-bones estimation.

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Nice very good planning to bad I am still in high school. I need a job.

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Hey Z, build a small airstrip. Im saving money up and should have my single engine license in 5 years or less. I'll totaly invite myself on in.


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That's not a bad idea. If I end up with some of that scrub land I'll definitely do it. Hell, that'd be fun as shit, anyway. Think of the prestige, from either end. You can say "Yeah, I'm flying down to Z's place this weekend in my Cessna," and I can say, "Yeah, Fred's flying down to my airstrip this weekend in his Cessna," and neither of us would ever have problems getting dates.

...not that I have problems getting dates. Fuck no. Never.


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Sex in a palne...Sounds intetresting. I still need train, plane, and helicopter. Which is everything except car vehicle wise.


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It doesn't take that much to make an airstrip does it? It seems simple enough.

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I don't think so. Level it out, pack it down, and you have a serviceable airstrip. Wouldn't accommodate too many planes--just small ones--but it would work. I'd even put in a nice, open packed-earth area at the far end and a windsock for helicopters. I wouldn't be investing in any lighting, though. I suppose I could get a few flares if someone needed to make an emergency landing at night. Who knows?

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Nice nice. Speaking of trains do you think they will be useful in the zombie apocalypse.

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I don't think so. Fuel issues, mainly, but they're also limited to their tracks. However--and I've never thought of this--a train could be a great moving fortress, at least short-term. Zombies would have one hell of a time getting into one, whether it's moving or not.

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Yes fuel would be the biggest issue. I don't think tracks would be much of a problem there are a lot of tracks in the u.s.

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If trains either run off the electric grid, like most commuter trains, or diesel, I can see this going to shit real soon. Although if you're able to get a diesel train, and enough fuel. you got raw fucking power, It could be a village on tracks, fortified enough, if an infestation catches up, you simply roll on down the line.


Cons: as said before, fuel, thats a big one. Also, integrity of the tracks, vehicles being abandoned on the tracks, plus other trains that could have been abandoned. And without satellite hookup with central dispatch centers, you wont know if any other trains are on your track, or hell, if anyone else as a working train coming your way, on the opposite direction.

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I don't think so. Fuel issues, mainly, but they're also limited to their tracks. However--and I've never thought of this--a train could be a great moving fortress, at least short-term. Zombies would have one hell of a time getting into one, whether it's moving or not.

plausible but unlikely unless you stumble on one and even then that means your inside a city in which case your as good as dinner
plus even with the interior stripped and refitted it would be cramped plus those doors arent as sturdy as they look no if you were talking about an old style locamotive i might agree with you since they had good old fashioned sliding metal doors instead of electronic plastic and glass ones

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I'm not sure we've ridden on the same trains. The doors on the ones I've been on are a couple of inches thick, steel, with thick plastic windows much stronger than glass...but that's not what would make it defensible; away from a platform the doors will be several feet above ground.

That's for a passenger train, anyway. Cargo trains would be like TANKS...steel sliding doors. No windows or amenities, though.

They're not all that cramped, either--a single car is almost the same square footage as the little house I live in. Narrow, but long.

Finding it inside a city during an outbreak would actually be a plus, rather than a minus, in my opinion. It would mean the train would likely still be functional, so you could--if you can run it--use it as a rolling fortress to clear the city and then jump out once you're in the country. And even once you're out there, it still provides a nice elevated bunker with excellent visibility on all sides.


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I'm not sure we've ridden on the same trains. The doors on the ones I've been on are a couple of inches thick, steel, with thick plastic windows much stronger than glass...but that's not what would make it defensible; away from a platform the doors will be several feet above ground.

That's for a passenger train, anyway. Cargo trains would be like TANKS...steel sliding doors. No windows or amenities, though.

They're not all that cramped, either--a single car is almost the same square footage as the little house I live in. Narrow, but long.

Finding it inside a city during an outbreak would actually be a plus, rather than a minus, in my opinion. It would mean the train would likely still be functional, so you could--if you can run it--use it as a rolling fortress to clear the city and then jump out once you're in the country. And even once you're out there, it still provides a nice elevated bunker with excellent visibility on all sides.

assuming that the power grid is still on which likely enough it isent  then yeah youve got an escape route though that still leaves the other possible problems such as a break in the track etc otherwise all finding a train in a city does is turn you into canned food and youll have to get out some time


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The trains roundabout here are diesel; they run independently of the electrical grid.

I wouldn't even consider one if it didn't start or if the tracks were blocked. Of course I'd have no way of knowing of track blockages until I came across them, but I'd still ride it to that point. I'd be that much closer to clearing the city limits.


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The trains roundabout here are diesel; they run independently of the electrical grid.

I wouldn't even consider one if it didn't start or if the tracks were blocked. Of course I'd have no way of knowing of track blockages until I came across them, but I'd still ride it to that point. I'd be that much closer to clearing the city limits.

british trains are run off the electricity grid so im somewhat screwed though i never really depended on any other travel than my feet in such a situation
on the point of track blockages a derailment could kill you or  more likely cripple you so is it worth the risk

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New York trains would be sucky to escape from. They run off electricity, and even if you got to one before the power cut odds are there'd be a lot of trains just sitting on the tracks.


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New York trains would be sucky to escape from. They run off electricity, and even if you got to one before the power cut odds are there'd be a lot of trains just sitting on the tracks.

and that is why i am a firm believer that due to our army of highly trained football hooligans that merry old england will not only survive an out break but we will positively thrive


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on the point of track blockages a derailment could kill you or  more likely cripple you so is it worth the risk


I would probably use the brakes. I could stop in plenty of time, since there's no need for too much speed. 25MPH will outrun even a sprinting zombie. The absolute worst-case scenario I can see while using a train to escape a city would be coming across a track blockage that's already swarming with zombies, forcing me to either go in reverse or jump out and run like hell. Either way, I'd still be closer to the edge of the city, and staying where I am will *definitely* kill me, so I'm still not seeing a downside to taking advantage of a functional train *if* you're in a city.


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on the point of track blockages a derailment could kill you or  more likely cripple you so is it worth the risk

I would probably use the brakes. I could stop in plenty of time

when i meant blockage i meant more like a bent rail or some such are you quite sure youd be able to spot it in time its not particularly visible


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A bent rail? How would that have happened, if not by some major accident?

Remember, this isn't months or years after the outbreak; the trains would only be an option near the beginning. The rails themselves would be fully functional thanks to the folks at the railways unless an accident destroys them during the outbreak, and if that happens, the accident's results should be highly visible--no one would come along and clean up the debris but leave the bent rail behind. There would be a shattered car there, or another derailed train, for example--which is about the only thing besides actual sabotage that I could see destroying train tracks, and who would be thinking about sabotaging tracks in the middle of a zombie uprising?

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fair point
this seems good so far though  wouldent the sound of a moving train be much like ringing a dinner bell

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