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Wow...Resident Evil...really...cmon folks'

Let be realistic here... we are talking about ZOMBIES!!!...LOL

Trust me from someone who deals with weapons and field equipment on a regular basis, you do not want to be carrying more than 2 firearms (pistol & rifle sized) and a small load of survival equipment (about 40 lbs). Anything more than that and you will be awkward when moving faster than a fast power walk.

I always read the forums and have noticed people selecting military grade weapons. sure we would all love to have that 5.56mm special forces colt commando, but that is not realistic for what i call the "average joe".

The "average joe" is that guy who has never fired a gun much less an assault rifle. You country boys that go hunting with dad and those fortunate enough to have got some type of military training are lucky and NOT "avergae joes".

I like the sudden realization that there are zombie running around to be the catalyst for your last minute equipment scrounging. Like in Day by Day Armageddon and the recent remake for Dawn of the Dead.

Okay, what does that mean? (weapon wise) Well the first thing i would do is grab the closest thing to a crowbar that i could get my hands on to bash in some zombie skulls with. Some items that come to mind that might be around your home.
(baseball bat, tire iron, fireplace poker, golf club, or an old school frying pan).

Now i personally own a pistol, nothing fancy... a 9mm Smith and Wesson sigma series with 4 loaded magazine of 10 rounds. I will assume "the average joe" will not own a firearm so his best chance is the local kmart, walmart, or target. These places do sell shotguns, and some decent second hand .22 rifles, but your state has to allow them to sell it and these store managers has to request the weapons in the store. The chances of u getting a store that sells real weapons are slim, but i have to say that the walmart about 5 minute drive from me does have an entire back section devoted to shotguns and hunting rifles and archery. And im not talking about the air pellet, bb guns, or nitro piston crap!

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Wow...Resident Evil...really...cmon folks'


Let be realistic here... we are talking about ZOMBIES!!!...LOL

Trust me from someone who deals with weapons and field equipment on a regular basis, you do not want to be carrying more than 2 firearms (pistol & rifle sized) and a small load of survival equipment (about 40 lbs). Anything more than that and you will be awkward when moving faster than a fast power walk.

I always read the forums and have noticed people selecting military grade weapons. sure we would all love to have that 5.56mm special forces colt commando, but that is not realistic for what i call the "average joe".

The "average joe" is that guy who has never fired a gun much less an assault rifle. You country boys that go hunting with dad and those fortunate enough to have got some type of military training are lucky and NOT "avergae joes".

I like the sudden realization that there are zombie running around to be the catalyst for your last minute equipment scrounging. Like in Day by Day Armageddon and the recent remake for Dawn of the Dead.

Okay, what does that mean? (weapon wise) Well the first thing i would do is grab the closest thing to a crowbar that i could get my hands on to bash in some zombie skulls with. Some items that come to mind that might be around your home.
(baseball bat, tire iron, fireplace poker, golf club, or an old school frying pan).

Now i personally own a pistol, nothing fancy... a 9mm Smith and Wesson sigma series with 4 loaded magazine of 10 rounds. I will assume "the average joe" will not own a firearm so his best chance is the local kmart, walmart, or target. These places do sell shotguns, and some decent second hand .22 rifles, but your state has to allow them to sell it and these store managers has to request the weapons in the store. The chances of u getting a store that sells real weapons are slim, but i have to say that the walmart about 5 minute drive from me does have an entire back section devoted to shotguns and hunting rifles and archery. And im not talking about the air pellet, bb guns, or nitro piston crap!
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I don't own guns mayself(don't have a car) but i do do a lot of shooting with rented gun,airguns and other. I can shoot very good(took out the zombie target at the range with a AK-47 and g26) but if it happen right now i would be with my Heavy Machetes,sword Heavy Machete, WAKAZASHI and any other things i can find(axes,Tomahawks,spears ,Shovel , pitchfork).  My load right now for when that day comes is my WAKAZASHI and sword Heavy Machete across my back , 2 Heavy Machetes on my belt and my spear or any long weapons i can find in my hand. I am ok with a blade to take a Z head.
 
the walmart around has mini 14 and 30s , lever 30/30 and pump 12(5 round tube) shotguns.  If i did have a guns  it be a ak-47 or a 357 or 44 mag lever or just a WW2 bolt with scope. 9mm or Revolver (model 64 S&W or something a long those line in my shoulder rig(i have both a leg and shoulder holster) with my any ammo pouch,  my sword and Heavy Machete, Use most my military-surplus gear(have a lot) and try to find a pack animal like a donkey, camels,  ox or llama for rideing and carrying my gear.  The ASPCA has a donkey that i could get to and she will pull a cart.

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A WAKAZASHI!!! How many people do you know that are trained in Iado, Kendo, or Kenjutsu. Your much better off with your one Machete, rather than strapping multiple blades on your belt and your back. Do you honestly plan to avoid zombies while wearing more than 3 blades and a firearm? (congratulations.. your now ZOMBIE CHOWDER)
 
The firearm selection you chose is a bit better, but not by much. I'm curious why you selected an AK 47 and a .44 magnum?
 
The ASPCA does have animals, but by the time you realized what was happening, those animal would either be dead or gone. Animals in general can't stand zombie and have been known to seriously injure themselves trying to escape an area infested with zombies.

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I can take a head with it(zombie don't fight like people) and i have used it on banboo targets.  I come up from the side and aim for the base of the head to cut the neck.  I like the sword cause it give me range over the Machete and it make a clean cut also less likely to stick into the cut. I use my Machete one time to cut the head of a dead deer and the mess was bad. with my short sword it was clean and took the head.  anyone can just swing for the head with a sword, as long as you have the sword above your head with a down cutting action.

I am going with a ak or 44mag or bolt gun. It whatever i could get too.  the plan was to carry the 3 tell i find a gun and then just one blade, rilfe and handgun.

I have used the ak 47 alot and i a very good shot with it. I also like that it will out last the m16/ar15.  from en.wikipedia.org

 "The AK-47 has always enjoyed a reputation of rugged reliability. It is gas operated, using the gas from the barrel to push a piston attached to the bolt carrier, thus operating the action. The gas tube is fairly large and is visible above the barrel with ports or vents to allow the excess "dirty" gas to escape without affecting the action. The AK-47 is often built with generous clearances, allowing it to function easily in a dirty environment with little or no maintenance. While these clearances may not greatly harm accuracy, they certainly do not contribute to it either. It is very simple to disassemble and clean, and easily maintainable"

the ammo is easy to find most places and cost less then the .223/5.56. I just like the wood and metal ak  and when the zombies come you will need a gun the easy to fix and will last a long time, also you can hunt with 7.62x39 hogs and deer. the lever 44mag it also a long lasting gun, you can hunt with it and it not mag fed so no mag to get lost. Also i don't think too many people will be shooting 44mag so the ammo could be easy to find.

I know donkeys have a much stronger sense of "self preservation" than exhibited by horses.  it is considerably more difficult to force or frighten a donkey into doing something it perceives to be dangerous for whatever reason.  I liked the idea of a pack animal to carry my gear and if the zombie come they will go after the animal before me.

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Animals in general can't stand zombie and have been known to seriously injure themselves trying to escape an area infested with zombies.

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Yeah, I see where he mentions them, but what do they do?


I'm not sure. I know you can use CO2 cartridges as mini-hand grenades by filling them with black powder and sticking a fuse in the top and sealing it with candle wax, but I don't know how to make a bomb out of carbon dioxide.

Oh, uh...as to how I know this...well, my brother and I grew up in the country. There's not a lot to do out there. So, uh...we lit things on fire a lot.

RCS, sure is! It's one of the inflected forms: elucidated and elucidating both. For example: "Joe's explanation really elucidated the subject for me." and "I hope I find Joe's explanation elucidating." =)

I think he means packing a bottle with dry ice and pouring water in with it. The water cause the dry ice to turn back into carbon dioxide. If you put the cap on the bottle while it changing back to CO2, the gas will expand in the bottle and, having nowhere to go, It will cause the bottle to explode. This is not dangerous (aside from some plastic shrapnel) but it does create a loud explosion. This would primarily be used for sound decoy, though carrying and preserving the dry ice would be a bitch, and, depending on how far you throw it, it could end up being more of a lure to you than a decoy. Overall, totally not worth it.  

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Mules, not donkeys. Donkeys are for 8 year olds b'day partys, Mules are really good pack/riding animials. Some Mules cost 10x what horses cost. You cannot kill a mule by running it to death, whereas a horse will run till it's heart explodes. Mules are sterile, they come from horses getting frisky with the donkeys. Yikes!

Crazy horse lady chime in?


Ref: guns.... be familiar with the local pawnshops, most pawnbrokers keep ammo and "toys" in the back.

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Foul necromancers burn *deploys torch* AH hahahahahahaha


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My loadout - travel light. Cargo pants and a light combat vest w/ enough pouches to hold my stuff. Primary would be a suppressed M14. Good weapon for basically all ranges, plus the suppressor reduces zombie-alerting noise. I'd have that on a 3-point sling, then have a silenced mini-uzi on a 1-point sling (more for raiders and clearing buildings than for zombie killing). I'd have an M9 in the crossdraw holster of my vest for close-quarter zombie killing. Hand to hand combat would include a punch dagger and a trench knife (look it up, it's useful). I'd also have a corwbar, which is a good bludgeon and is also a handy tool for other purposes. As for supplies, the standard food, water, ammo, and a multi-tool, as well as some other stuff, not getting that specific. 
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What gear do I carry into a zombie apocalypse?  Well, let’s see.  I am going to try to limit my selections to normal, readily available gear that you can find about anywhere and acquire without special permits or especially deep pockets.  Also, my choices reflect my current location and background.  They are not going to be right for everybody.  I’m going to start with clothing.  Several changes of socks and underwear to start off with, say five sets of socks and skivvies.  Several t-shirts, a sweater, a light water-proof jacket with hood, a watch cap, and a boonie hat.   Two sets of avacodo tuxedoes (military utilities) ideally in the new digital pattern.  These things look like crap to my old eyes but I got to admit they work really well.  A good set of boots with arch and ankle support.  A set of high impact plastic guards for shins, knees, elbows, and forearms.  Two sets of leather work gloves with one set of cold weather inserts.

For food, I am going with the classic MRE with all of the extra bits (the cardboard containers) removed to save space.  Not too many of these just enough to keep me going for a couple of days and several packages of US Coast Guard survival rations for emergencies.  This stuff is dry and tastes like wood chips but it is much more compact than an MRE with all of the benefits.  Two canteens and a good water purification kit.  A good canteen cup per canteen (one for drinking one for cooking) and a set of camping utensils.  Fishing line and several hooks will round things out for getting protein sources.  A good field guide to my regional plants will take care of my leafy greens.  My primary goal is to live off the land and scavenge for my daily food needs.  The food and water that I am carrying is my reserve for when I can’t find/get to suitable other sources.

A good pack and load-bearing set to carry the gear I can’t live without and a toss bag for everything else.  A poncho-liner and shelter (one man pop-up tent preferably in camo pattern) for when I have to sleep outside.  Some climbing/para cord, a good (military grade) field first aid kit with a box of tampons, a roll of black electrician’s tape and a roll of olive duct tape (just like the silver kind only in olive drab), a flint and striker fire starter, a steel mirror, and hand crank radio.  This is my mobility kit.  My assumption is that I am on the move until I can locate a good base of operations to set up.  Once I have that then I can start to scavenge all those other little things (like books) that make life more enjoyable but are not needed for my immediate survival.

For a vehicle, I want a good old style sea kayak – like the Inuits would use not some urban yuppie.  Where I live I am surrounded by several large, deep, and interconnected bodies of water.   They make for ready-made zombie resistant highways that stretch for miles in and around urban and wilderness areas and even provide access to the sea.  A sea kayak can handle foul weather and rough seas , has plenty of room for extra gear and passengers, and is still easily handled by a single person.

Alright, so now my weapon choices.  I am going to limit my selection to weapons that would be available to a civilian with a normal budget and without the need for expensive collector licenses.  Sure, with a few billion dollars and decades of research and development, you can have a working hover tank.  Do you have a few billion dollars and decades of R&D?  Neither do I.  For my first choice, I will take a Remington Model 700 hunting rifle with Unertl 10x scope.  Why?  Well, partly for sentimental reasons.  The M40A1 used by the US Marine Corps is based off the Remington 700.  There are some changes (a floating, heavy barrel and a carbon-fibre stock – among other things) but the action and frame are basically the same.  The Unertl scope is the scope that was developed specifically for the M40A1 and was not available to the civilian market until recently.   In short, this combination is my old sniper rifle.  A hunting rifle is not going to be as accurate as a sniper rifle straight out of the box but it will be close enough for what I need it to do.  I don’t intend to take many shots over a thousand meters anyway.  The hunting rifle will also be a tiny bit more robust as far as maintenance goes.  The other reason that I am selecting this weapon is that it is chambered for the .308 Winchester round – also known as the NATO 7.62mm.  What is great about this round is its versatility and all around performance.  Even straight out of the box, these are a reliable and accurate mid-range round with excellent groupings at ranges over 600 meters.  The .308 is used for hunting animals as small as a large varmint, like a coyote, to as large as a black bear.  It is excellent at one shot kills on deer and people.  The round will penetrate a human skull at 800 meters and still maintain enough energy to exit the other side taking most of the brains and bone with it.  This is also one of the most common rifle rounds in the country.  Hunters use it so it is readily available in sporting goods stores and even your local Wal-Mart.  The police use it for their SWAT snipers, and the military uses it for their snipers and mid level machine guns.

My second weapon is a Glock 10mm semi-automatic pistol.  Glocks are like the Volvo of the pistol world.  They are ugly and clunky but they are good.  These weapons are remarkably durable and will still reliably function under conditions that would leave other pistols seized up.  The 10mm packs more punch than a 9mm and has fewer problems with over-penetration than a .45 or larger handgun.  Why is over-penetration an issue?  Well, let’s say that you are grappling with a zombie who is eagerly trying to eat your face off.  I am twenty feet away and can’t run over to whack it with a melee weapon.  Maybe I am hurt, maybe I am just lazy.  The point is I need to shoot the zombie to save you.  Now I can shoot it in the head with my 10mm and kill it – or – I can shoot it in the head with my .45 and watch as the bullet passes clean through the zombie’s skull and kills you as well.  Now, you understand why over-penetration is an issue.  10mm rounds are nearly as ubiquitous as 9mm rounds are so finding supplies is not difficult and the magazine capacities are still above average.  Sure, a laser sight (with an unlimited supply of batteries) and a suppressor would be cool but I am sticking to weapons that a civilian could reasonably pick up or find.  I also don’t need two pistols because I like to hit what I am at.  Despite what you see in video games and movies, firing a pistol one-handed sucks.  Your accuracy sucks, your stability (which means being able to quickly return to target for a second shot) sucks, and the wear and tear on your wrist sucks.  It is only exceeded on the “Stupid Ideas Scale” by firing a pistol one handed in each hand.

Before I leave the subject of firearms, let me speak on the subject of magazines.  The rifle is bolt action but it does have a magazine.  I would probably keep four or five of these magazines loaded and ready to go.  Since it is a hunting rifle, it doesn’t hold a lot of rounds per magazine but I don’t intend to get into an extended gun battle with zombies.  The rifle is really intended as a primary tool for hunting game or, should it become necessary, shooting living people.  I don’t need to go hunting zombies to survive so there is no point in engaging zombies if I don’t have to.  I will keep the same number of magazines for the pistol as well – for those instances when I might get caught by a horde of zombies and have to shoot my way clear.  The rest of the rounds that I can comfortably carry will be kept in ziplock baggies containing as many rounds as a single magazine.  The baggies keep out moisture and take up less space than boxes of rounds.   They do increase the amount of noise that I generate (the clink-clink of the rounds) so these are stowed in my toss bag and surrounded by clothing to muffle the sound.  For those of you unfamiliar with this term, a “toss bag” is a bag of useful gear that you want to keep with you but which is not 100% necessary and can be tossed if you have to.  You carry it usually on a sling.  The gear in your pack or is otherwise strapped to you is only that gear which you absolutely must not lose.

For my melee weapon I will go ahead and take that tungsten steel crowbar.  It is a very useful tool that is pretty effective at caving in skulls without needing any real maintenance besides wiping the gooey bits off.  The problem with edged weapons like machetes and swords is that they require a great deal of time and effort to care for (cleaning, sharpening, oiling, etc.) and a significant bit of skill to use properly.  What?  Did you think you were just going to be lopping off zombie heads like they were dandelions?  Think again.  The skull is the hardest bone in the human body and to get to the brain you have to go through both the front and back of it.  The vertebrae of the spine are the most complex series of interlocking bones in the human body.  In order to cleave completely through either the spine or the skull without getting your weapon stuck your edged weapon has a limited plane of geometry in which it can strike the target.  Zombies are moving targets that always seem to travel in packs in the movies.  Bludgeoning weapons are just as effective at crushing skulls without the need for extensive training and almost none of the risks associated with getting your weapon stuck in one zombie skull while another is attacking.  For those of you with years of swordsmanship training, carry that sword and more power to you.  I am a retired Marine not a retired samurai and my weapon choices reflect that.  I will carry a good knife (my K-Bar) as a backup weapon and general purpose tool.

These are my weapon choices based on my survival strategy – stealth.  I live in a metropolitan area of some 2 and a half million souls.  If even 10% of these become zombies that is 250,000 zombies.  I don’t care what guns you are lugging around you can’t carry enough rounds to kill them all.  Better to stay silent and stealthy, avoid contact, and evade any pursuit.  When hunting, fire on your target from a good distance and then quickly escape the area of the shot to avoid any zombies (or other dangers) that are drawn to the sound of the gunfire.  Clean and gut your carcass quickly and keep moving.

Not everyone is going to have my training and skill set.  That’s okay.  For people with poor marksmanship skills a good semi-automatic shotgun is an excellent alternative to a rifle.  Keeping it semi-auto will prevent you from wasting ammunition and its knock-down power can disable a zombie even if you don’t kill it.  No matter what your skills or lack there of.  Remember that your best primary weapon is your brain and your best secondary weapon is your comrades.  Work together and stay alive.  Which brings me to my final “gear” choice – a good team.  As I move through the apocalypse I am going to be keeping a weather eye out for people that I can recruit into a cohesive group.  Lone wolves are dead wolves but a pack goes on for generations.

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A WAKAZASHI!!! How many people do you know that are trained in Iado, Kendo, or Kenjutsu. Your much better off with your one Machete, rather than strapping multiple blades on your belt and your back. Do you honestly plan to avoid zombies while wearing more than 3 blades and a firearm? (congratulations.. your now ZOMBIE CHOWDER)

 

I disagree about the wakizashi, i own a Musashi Katana. it would be extremly easy to decapitate something with it, but i also agree with you in that not many people are trained to use these weapons. Luckily im a Tae Kwon Doe instructor and use these weapons extensivley. But for the average Joe definatly go with the machete and dont use a ton of mellee weapons one long weapon and one knife.

 

Also i am new to the site and started my own thread for survival plans gear and apparel please check it out and post thanks everyone! =)

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Hmmm. Internal framed backpack...two sets of nylon based pants and shirts. One multi layer parka. Pants would be 511 tactical pants. A Eno nylon hammock in 600 denier ripstop. An Australian Hootchie Flysheet. 300ft of 550 para-cord. -40 degree sleeping bad with bivy cover and bedroll. Class 3 med-kit. Wet/dry fire making kit. One large "dry" bag. A stainless steel cup/mug to eat from and boil water. 3 sets of thick wool socks. One wool blanket. The bladed weapons would be a Katana for length at outside and a tsuge bush machete for inside wet work. The firearms would be an FN 5.7 pistol with a suppressor and subsonic ammo to be carried in a Kydex holster. Next would be a "heavy" barreled "Scout" type semi-auto rifle with 2 point sling for distance killing. I would also carry a Keltec KSG which is a bull-pup shot gun with 2 loading tubes that carry 14 rounds and has a tube selector switch. It would be loaded with both "00" and "000" shot, as well as sabot rounds . Sabot rounds would be both frangible and non-frangible. I would also carry a Leatherman Wave multitool, as well as the Spyderco Pacific Salt folding knife in black made with H1 rustproof steel. Well off the top of my head and without any fore thought this is what I could come up with.

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  Hmmm. Internal framed backpack...two sets of nylon based pants and shirts. One multi layer parka. Pants would be 511 tactical pants. A Eno nylon hammock in 600 denier ripstop. An Australian Hootchie Flysheet. 300ft of 550 para-cord. -40 degree sleeping bad with bivy cover and bedroll. Class 3 med-kit. Wet/dry fire making kit. One large "dry" bag. A stainless steel cup/mug to eat from and boil water. 3 sets of thick wool socks. One wool blanket. The bladed weapons would be a Katana for length at outside and a tsuge bush machete for inside wet work. The firearms would be an FN 5.7 pistol with a suppressor and subsonic ammo to be carried in a Kydex holster. Next would be a "heavy" barreled "Scout" type semi-auto rifle with 2 point sling for distance killing. I would also carry a Keltec KSG which is a bull-pup shot gun with 2 loading tubes that carry 14 rounds and has a tube selector switch. It would be loaded with both "00" and "000" shot, as well as sabot rounds . Sabot rounds would be both frangible and non-frangible. I would also carry a Leatherman Wave multitool, as well as the Spyderco Pacific Salt folding knife in black made with H1 rustproof steel. Well off the top of my head and without any fore thought this is what I could come up with.
   

While i like your choice in gear and your attention to detail there is to items that i don't suggest. The Katana is one of my favorite weapons of all time and would be a must for someone like me who trains with it extensively. (Being a Tae Kwon Doe instructor that what i do.) But if you are someone with no training whatsoever, and does not know how to care for such a delicate weapon, DO NOT try a Katana, You could easily get yourself killed without proper training. Its not like swinging a baseball bat around and killing an enemy it requires major precision and practice. The other issue i had was the Keltec KSG. While it is a good gun and the bull-pup design is good for close quarters if you are close enough to a zombie to use a shotgun you may as well stick to a melee weapon or handgun. Shotguns are dinner bells in a world with zombies and the only time i would use it is for breaching doors which can be done with a master key and would weigh much much less. The last issue which goes back to the shotgun is weight. If your on the run you carry one primary melee (Machete) and one secondary melee (Knife), one primary firearm (Rifle, Shotgun if you reaaaaaly gotta have one) and one-two secondary firearms(Handguns) This is your best bet. Now add in another shotgun that will weigh more and get in the way when switching weapons and the dinner bell from the blast. You got Yourself some Zombie Bait.
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Hey Kswiss94,

Mahalo for the feedback. Let address the two misgivings you have about the items you critiqued. Firstly, I am well versed in the use and application of the Katana. I had the honor and privilege to be taught Kendo by Zen Buddhist monks here on the island of Oahu at their Temple/Monastery called Chozen-Ji.  This a link to there facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chozen-Ji/111737955529759 . I was under their tutelage for the better part of 7 years. As for the KSG, it would be used prudently for dynamic room clearing in an urban setting when all other options are untenable. I would be used primarily for a hostile human threat and secondarily for the zombie threat. It would also be used in a exfiltration action where OPSEC had been blown/compromised and a dynamic retreat is called for. I wouldn't be using it willy-nilly. If I was deploying it in any other manner I might have gone with a suppressed Saiga semi-auto shotgun with a folding stock. which may be found here http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=9&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3
 However there are severe mitigation's in using said shotgun. Primarily it would be it's overall length and secondarily the number of rounds per clip. The KSG has 2 loading tubes with 7 rounds each and a round in the chamber for a total of 15 rounds. Thanks again for the feedback. Hopefully I have supported my methodology concerning both weapons. Looking forward to your response and would enjoy more input.  




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Hey Kakele808,

Its good to know there are some sensible people who know what there talking about on these kinds of forums. Cant stand when you have the people who wanna take twenty different assault weapons and explosives with them to kill a few zombies. You always wanna stay light in weaponry, to much and you get bogged down. Its also good to know you have skill with a Katana, Many fancy the idea but dont realize how much care and practice goes into the artfrom, Just curious, What style do you practice. From a Draw Stance, High, Middle. Etc. I prefer the most rounded Middle body technique. Ive been training with a Sword for a long while. Of course i was never trained by monks, we mostly trained in hand to hand self defense, The Katana was a side project with me and my Grand Master. I also like how you talked about the shotgun being used for encounters against other people. Many do not think of this problem. Just remember when shit goes down people dont all react the same. They will take what they want no questions asked. Hope to here a reply from you. I have my on thread if you can find it. I would like to get some more people posting on it so i can here some more insights. Also Red Jacket is the best haha love there show. Im actually training to become a gunsmith and am hoping to get into PA Gunsmithing School soon.

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Aloha Kswiss94,
Being accepted into the Temple was hard work. To even be considered you have to enroll into the meditation course first. In the course you learn the correct posture and breathing for Zazen (Full Lotus posture meditation). Beginners have to be able to maintain correct posture and breathing for 15-30 minutes. The Intermediate students have to do 30-45 minutes. The advanced students need to do 45-90 minutes. After you have in accepted and passed the advanced Zazen, then you have the chance to pick 2 arts. One is a martial art and the other isn't. This is to balance you. We started out learning the style Yagyu Shinkage-ryu. You start with this style because it is the closest to Aikido...which is considered Kendo/Kenjutsu without a sword. It is primarily a disarming art with very fluid, flowing and subtle movements usually from the "neutral" or "guarded" position. After that we studied several other styles. We studied a Jodan-no-kamae style (High Stance) called Tamiya-ryu. Some other styles were...Hasso-no-kamae (Right side High) Jigen-ryu, Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu. We studied some others and most were allowed to choose after you progressed enough to the Monks satisfaction. The Temple had it's own style called Hasu no Yattsu no Hanabira-ryu which basically means the eight petal lotus. It's made up of low inside draws intersecting the center line right to left, left to right while advancing and in retreat. There is way too much stuff to cover here and I think I am wandering LOL. But suffice to say it was hard, it was brutal...it broke you and rebuilt you at the same time. As hard as it was I would not trade any of the time I spent there for anything else. It was life changing and I value what I learned beyond measure. I wanted to be a gunsmith as well but unfortunately I live in a commie state and they aren't really available for the public to seek out and hire. Luckily I have two uncles who were armorers while in the service. So I picked some stuff up over the years. I would be glad to post to your thread I will search for it later. Good to hear back from you. Have a good one.
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High five for Commie states, comrade. 

And keep these discussions going, 'cause I'm learning here as well!

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Hey Kakele808,

 

Wow dont think id be able for more than five minutes Haha, I can never sit still. Yes i have worked a little in a side stance, weve never used the technichal wording, As long as we knew it and studied it we were fine. Its very cool to meet another person like yourself with the same interests in martial arts and gunsmithing. Im currently thinking about investing in some reloading equipment for my .45 Auto. I cant stand buying ammo for it, Everythings so damn expensive these days. Also i recently got a Mosin-Nagant Russian Sniper rifle that fires 7.62x54. 100 dollars!! with bayonet, ammo pouches, and sling. Its a great gun, and will probably never break! The one complaint is the metal butt plate on the back makes the kick 100 times worse. Im working on getting a rubber butt plate to replace it though. All in all a gun anyone can own and have fun with, cheap, reliable, and you can buy about 1,000 rounds of target rounds for about 100$ from what i hear, Though you must clean it more often with those.

 

Also ZombieHunter, If you wish to have some more info go ahead and ask and im sure we can give you the answer your looking for.

 

Seeya ya guys later, and Happy Holidays.

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