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Except the majority of those religious wars were fought before the age of industrialized murder hell before the industrial revolution. If they had been fought with 20 century tech they would have been worse.

Also the pop of the world was lower during those times unlike now where technology has boosted the world pop much higher than could be reached before. Despite that the 30 years war killed off 2/5 of germany's(which was a broken into serveral small states at this time) population.

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I'm very serious.  10's of millions of folks were killed by Socialist governments and movements around the world during the 20th century.  Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot...  to name the most evil of the bunch.

You add all of the "religious" wars and persecutions up and it doesn't come close to the number and scope of the horrors committed by Socialists.  9/11 and all of the terrorist acts and wars that have followed suit don't compare, yet, to even Pol-Pot's killing fields.  More than one million Cambodians were murdered by the Khmer Rouge.  That's somewhere around 20% of the population at the time.  That's not to say evils haven't been committed in the name of one religion or another, but never on that scale.


Communism and Fascism are both Socialist at their core.  Hitler's party, the NAZI party was a shorting of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  Mussolini was a Socialist.  The branding of Fascism/Nazism as right-wing was done by communist "intellectuals" to differentiate themselves from Fascism/Nazism.  IE Propaganda. 

Hitler did not have the Pope's blessing, and the Nazis put a lot of christian religious figures in concentration camps for speaking out against the Nazis.  The Nazis used a lot of pre-christian mythology to promote their agenda.

Just as Nurgle put it genocide on that scale wasn't possible before the turn of the 19/20 century. That's why it hasn't been commited on the scale. It's still the same thing though, only that with religion, it's been going on for a couple of thousand years, which makes it a bit worse.

I come from a place that's sadly pretty thick with neo nazi scum and I'm fully aware that the national socialist german workers party was shortend into Nazi by it's opposition. I've never said anything else. Both facism and nazism has been in clear opposition of socialism, it was one of the scapegoats Hitler used along with the jews. The only thing nazism and facism share with the extreme left ideologies is their love of authority and their one party system. In what way do you mean that facism is a socialist ideology?

You were right about the pope and the nazis and I know a lot of christian people went to the camps, actually everyone who spoke out against Hitler and the nazi ideology got sent away to the camps no matter what religion or political inclination. The fact still remains that Hitler in his speeches talk of himself as a gods servant against the enemies of christianity. The pre-christian mythology they used wasn't about religion as much as it was about promoting Germanys glorious ancient past.




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Just as Nurgle put it genocide on that scale wasn't possible before the turn of the 19/20 century. That's why it hasn't been commited on the scale. It's still the same thing though, only that with religion, it's been going on for a couple of thousand years, which makes it a bit worse.

I come from a place that's sadly pretty thick with neo nazi scum and I'm fully aware that the national socialist german workers party was shortend into Nazi by it's opposition. I've never said anything else. Both facism and nazism has been in clear opposition of socialism, it was one of the scapegoats Hitler used along with the jews. The only thing nazism and facism share with the extreme left ideologies is their love of authority and their one party system. In what way do you mean that facism is a socialist ideology?

You were right about the pope and the nazis and I know a lot of christian people went to the camps, actually everyone who spoke out against Hitler and the nazi ideology got sent away to the camps no matter what religion or political inclination. The fact still remains that Hitler in his speeches talk of himself as a gods servant against the enemies of christianity. The pre-christian mythology they used wasn't about religion as much as it was about promoting Germanys glorious ancient past.
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Except the majority of those religious wars were fought before the age of industrialized murder hell before the industrial revolution. If they had been fought with 20 century tech they would have been worse.

Also the pop of the world was lower during those times unlike now where technology has boosted the world pop much higher than could be reached before. Despite that the 30 years war killed off 2/5 of germany's(which was a broken into serveral small states at this time) population.

Do you guys think that religion was the cause of those things? Do you really think that religion is to blame for the Crusades, and  the other countless atrocities committed in the name of God? Nowhere in the Bible does it say to slay the nonbelievers, or convert by the sword. It is man's hunger for power that knows no bounds.

Religion is the excuse, not the reason. 

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2 Chronicles 15:12-13

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

just one.


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It is man's hunger for power that knows no bounds.


So socialism isn't to blame the millions dead in the killing fields and the gulags, it's mans hunger for power? That doesn't cut it.
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So socialism isn't to blame the millions dead in the killing fields and the gulags, it's mans hunger for power? That doesn't cut it.

How does that not cut it? You think it's logical to say "there are millions dead, I blame Socialism"? Who created socialism? Why was it instated in those situations? Socialism cannot kill people. I am by no means a fan of socialism. I dislike it for other reasons. But I do not blame socialism, or communism, or any other form of man-created government for the wasted deaths of millions. I blame men.

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2 Chronicles 15:12-13

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

just one.


I don't think that's god preaching to kill the nonbelievers. While I may be wrong when I said "nowhere in the bible does it say to slay the nonbelievers or convert by the sword," it seems like your quote is actually talking about people who are choosing to kill the nonbelievers, as compared to that being God's command. 

I'm not even a big advocate of the Bible. But if you look in the Ten Commandments, one of which is "Thou Shall Not Kill," I think it's pretty clear.

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Oh God, please save from your followers.   I think that about sums it up for me.
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Actually i do agree with u ZH its the human condition that is the most to blame. Religion, politics, and race are excuses for people to fight, Although not all people come up the same so some are more or less predesposed to violence.

I was more contering the blanket the commies are pure evil and people of faith are good through and through statements being made.

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I was born and raised catholic.  I used to dress up in little light blue suits on Sunday and go to church with my family.  Somewhere along the way my father lost the interest to go (probably when he started working 12 hours, 7 days a week).  I went to catholic schools and had nuns for teachers all through grade school.  I was even an altar boy at one point before I was kicked out (long story if your interested let me know I will tell you about it)

I could not find direct quotes from God saying kill in my name, but there are plenty of things in the bible that lead to and ultimately condone killing.

Uhhhh Noahs Arc anyone?

I specificall recall a pasage in the bible where Jesus is walking down the road with a deciple and he says something to the effect of 'see that tree?' and proceeds to kill the tree somehow (it became diseased or something like that) that was directly from 'the man'

And there is another one where he is going to a church and the locals took the church and made it a whore house/casino and 'the man' went ballistic and tore the place up.

Again not the same as saying 'kill in my name', but I am sure if I looked hard enough I could find something that implys it plenty.

All religions are the same.  It is about giving hope and exerting control.

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"Something my granddad used to tell us. You know Macumba? Voodoo. My granddad was a priest in Trinidad. He used to tell us, "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth."
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How about Sodom and Gamora? (sp?) 


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How about Sodom and Gamora? (sp?) 

God actually did his own work in that case he sent his angels not man to destroy those places.

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How about Sodom and Gamora? (sp?) 

God actually did his own work in that case he sent his angels not man to destroy those places.

And the buck stops with him for all the suffering, the killing, and shit that goes along with it. 

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God actually did his own work in that case he sent his angels not man to destroy those places.

And the buck stops with him for all the suffering, the killing, and shit that goes along with it. 
 

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kewl JBK, i was an altar boy to.  remember when the priest would take you to thre back of the vestibule for sacraments.  good times.


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I remember how weird it felt to see the priest put his robes on and seeing the tabernacle where the hosts were kept and seeing the wine bottle.

All the behind the scenes stuff.

It didnt last long.  I was a screw up.

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"Something my granddad used to tell us. You know Macumba? Voodoo. My granddad was a priest in Trinidad. He used to tell us, "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth."
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Ahh, you used too much teeth?
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It's always $$$ track em all back to the $$$ Or Power,Respect. The church in Rome has a Bank.......hmmmmm........


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Ahh, you used too much teeth?

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No my butthole was already too stretched out 

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"Something my granddad used to tell us. You know Macumba? Voodoo. My granddad was a priest in Trinidad. He used to tell us, "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth."
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Ahh, you used too much teeth?

lol

No my butthole was already too stretched out 

I heard some gals talking  that it's like virginity.....if you don't use it for a few years, then your considered to be a virgin again.  

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Yeah I am still out!

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I am a slut!

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"Something my granddad used to tell us. You know Macumba? Voodoo. My granddad was a priest in Trinidad. He used to tell us, "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth."
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cultural differences are the main excuse of most genocide, and religion most definately falls into cultural differences, but so doesnt skin color, philosophical ideals, etc etc.....religion is but one factor, albeit a major one...but the biggest excuse is simply cultural differences...the biggest cause is greed and fear, the biggest excuse is just cultural shit...further globalization should decrease genocide atrocities, but,...BUT, further population booms will increase nutjobs, and it only takes a few nutballs to spoil the whole halfway house...


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This might be to little to late, but during WW2 wasn't the pope giving Hitler "silent concent" and "non-involvement" to not stop/promote his actions?

I used to be Catholic but I don't need an old guy on a golden throne tell me I'm going to Hell (this recent pope didn't take a traditional vow of poverty-why I don't like him). It is hard for me to see reasonable compassion coming from The Church these days. It takes just one guy to fuck it up for the rest of us. Pope Sixtus V (year 1588) is the exact reason I am no longer Catholic.

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