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In the rising and the aftermath of a ZPAW or even just a PAW, how dangerous will these sorts be with out the legal system being in place?

Could we see another rise in events that resemble the spanish inquistion and other disgusting uses of religeon from power crazy folk?

Religeon seems to be dying over here in the UK and I cant say Im too bothered by that. To be frank when you look at the history of it, its disgusting and extremely violent. Thankfully those days are gone and wont ever arise unless law and order falls.

But in America for instance, the South religeon seems to thrive. Do you think that would become a probelm?

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Hopefully those who aren't all there in the noggin will commit mass suicide.


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Hopefully those who aren't all there in the noggin will commit mass suicide.


You ever seen the scene in "The Mist" when every one suddenly turns religeous nuts and sacrafices the soldiers?

Amazing what religeon to people.

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Faith is all fine and dandy, but zealots make my skin crawl.

Soon as someone starts trumpeting about their god and how he told them last night that all the whores should be fed to the zombies... They're getting put up on a flagpole as a zombie distraction.

Sadly, these guys always get away with their madness because normal, non-zealots give people a chance.  In the ZPAW, I just wouldn't have time for that nonsense.  Madness, any sort of madness, whether religious/drug-induced/etc., is a weakness that can't be afforded in a situation like that.

Gotta take em out before they rouse the more impressionable members of your troop and get you burned at a stake.

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Faith is all fine and dandy, but zealots make my skin crawl.

Soon as someone starts trumpeting about their god and how he told them last night that all the whores should be fed to the zombies... They're getting put up on a flagpole as a zombie distraction.

Sadly, these guys always get away with their madness because normal, non-zealots give people a chance.  In the ZPAW, I just wouldn't have time for that nonsense.  Madness, any sort of madness, whether religious/drug-induced/etc., is a weakness that can't be afforded in a situation like that.

Gotta take em out before they rouse the more impressionable members of your troop and get you burned at a stake.


Think there would be a fine line between believers and the zealots in the PAW situation, corrupted due tot he situation. Im with you though, Im shoot/stab every one of them stone dead.

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Yeah, I've just always noticed that when the shit hits the fan, the crazy build cults and when everyone is scared... It's pretty easy for the crazy to brainwash the masses quickly.

The last thing I'd want is a sudden mutiny that saw me pushed outside the barricades because I wasn't wearing the right color or kissing the right ass.

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Hopefully those who aren't all there in the noggin will commit mass suicide.


You ever seen the scene in "The Mist" when every one suddenly turns religeous nuts and sacrafices the soldiers?

Amazing what religeon to people.

the best part of that movie is when they kill that religous kook.



but like RCS said hopefully they will believe its the rapture and off themselves.

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The thing is... The really crazy ones don't actually want to die, they just think you should.    "Hey guys, drink this kool-aid.  What about me?  Oh no, I had a full pitcher just a few minutes ago.  Mmm, is that stuff good."


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The "Mist" is a poor example.  I know many Christians that would have "silenced" the "zealot" much sooner than which occurred in the movie. 

I'm not really worried.  Those folks will do themselves more harm than anyone else.  Down South a lot of folks are armed.  If some group decided to do something crazy, it would only happen at a cost to the zealots.  Southerners don't go down easy.

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I don't really like to pin the "crazy" thing on all religious people. There are crazy people of all shapes and sizes. 
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I don't really like to pin the "crazy" thing on all religious people. There are crazy people of all shapes and sizes. 

Agreed. You don't have to be "SAVED by Jebus!!" to be a paranoid schizophrenic or violent sociopath.

Besides, I think the opening of "28 Days Later" is a good point in what religous people might do. Lock themselves up unknowingly with the infected. Doesn't have to be the Zed-virus, could just be the super-deadly-flu or what-not.

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yeah, if they are zeolots of any stripe, avoid.  if they are just organized folk who have a prayer service before dinner, no prob.


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I dunno... Those quiet religious dinners can get pretty fanatical...

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but like RCS said hopefully they will believe its the rapture and off themselves.


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i agree but there are two religious quack groups
1.)mass suicides-truly over religious
2.)sacrifishile-to controle group and kill rivles and any opposition

i would stay clear of both becuse they would try to draw you in or kill you saying you'le soon be free of your hardships eather for you or your gear witch would you take


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The BMMM(Bicycle-Mounted Mormon Militia) will be my biggest fear in the Zpaw. Their high reproduction rates surpass  even that of the undead.

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The "Mist" is a poor example.  I know many Christians that would have "silenced" the "zealot" much sooner than which occurred in the movie. 

I'm not really worried.  Those folks will do themselves more harm than anyone else.  Down South a lot of folks are armed.  If some group decided to do something crazy, it would only happen at a cost to the zealots.  Southerners don't go down easy.


I dont think the "Mist" is a bad example, it shows true how people can get so desperate that they cling on to or grab faith to "help" them get out of a fearful situation. They people are also very suggestible.

Look back through history and look at the amount of daftys who have followed a single man due to him being the "hand of god".

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Nah, it shows what hollywood is all about. Getting a reaction from the audience.

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I dont think the "Mist" is a bad example, it shows true how people can get so desperate that they cling on to or grab faith to "help" them get out of a fearful situation. They people are also very suggestible.

Look back through history and look at the amount of daftys who have followed a single man due to him being the "hand of god".

All the "Mist" shows is Hollywood's (and maybe Stephen King's, but I haven't read the book) anti-religion (especially anti-christian) slant.  By your own admission, you have your own bias against religion.

If you were to add up all of the atrocities committed in the name of religion through out time, they'd be a pittance to the horrors committed by socialist governments around the world during the 20th century.  Socialist governments tend to squash religion, and are pretty much Atheist.  By socialist I mean; Marxists, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.  Communists/Fascists are different sides of the same coin.  They have the same basic dogma, but the details are slightly different. 

The key differences between the horrors created by God-less Socialist governments and those by religious zealots are...  The scale... And the fact that the inhuman treatment of people is the norm for Socialist governments, and is the exception with Christianity.

I'm not particularly religious myself.  I haven't been to a Church except for wedding and funerals for over 10 years. 

I think that some cults would show up in a PAW.  However, they'd be the exception, not the rule.

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I think that some cults would show up in a PAW.  However, they'd be the exception, not the rule.

Last time I checked, most modern day main stream religions meet the qualifications for cults....so, we're one step closer to the end.  

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The "Mist" is a poor example.  I know many Christians that would have "silenced" the "zealot" much sooner than which occurred in the movie. 

I'm not really worried.  Those folks will do themselves more harm than anyone else.  Down South a lot of folks are armed.  If some group decided to do something crazy, it would only happen at a cost to the zealots.  Southerners don't go down easy.


Wow, if we lived close, we would be good friends. Your thoughts are my thoughts.

Either, north, south, east or west, good people of all religions don't impose their particular religion on others!



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It's funny how many people just don't get that. It's definitely popular time to be hating on religion.
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If you were to add up all of the atrocities committed in the name of religion through out time, they'd be a pittance to the horrors committed by socialist governments around the world during the 20th century.  Socialist governments tend to squash religion, and are pretty much Atheist.  By socialist I mean; Marxists, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.  Communists/Fascists are different sides of the same coin.  They have the same basic dogma, but the details are slightly different. 

The key differences between the horrors created by God-less Socialist governments and those by religious zealots are...  The scale... And the fact that the inhuman treatment of people is the norm for Socialist governments, and is the exception with Christianity.



Are you serious?

I'm no fan of socialism or nazism but they still pale in comparison to what religion has done to the human race. By just focusing on the abrahamic religions you have milleniums of opression, genocide and supression of science. The arab conquests, the crusades, the inquisition, the 30 years war, these are just a few of the highlights we can rack up to religion. And don't you remember what happened a couple of years ago with the WTC and what followed after? It wasn't socialism, it wasn't facism and it wasn't nazism. It was religios fuckheads serving their higher power.

And second, socialism and facism is like night and day. Both of them are extreme political ideologies but there's some pretty big differences between them. And laslty Hitler was a catholic and viewed himself as a servant of god against the enemies of christianity and if I remember it correctly he even had the popes blessing. I don't have a problem with people being religous around me, I have a problem with religion itself and what it can do to people.

As for the topic, I doubt religious nutjobs would be a problem over here, lack of religion being on the perks with living Sweden.
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If you were to add up all of the atrocities committed in the name of religion through out time, they'd be a pittance to the horrors committed by socialist governments around the world during the 20th century.  Socialist governments tend to squash religion, and are pretty much Atheist.  By socialist I mean; Marxists, Communists, Fascists, and Nazis.  Communists/Fascists are different sides of the same coin.  They have the same basic dogma, but the details are slightly different. 

The key differences between the horrors created by God-less Socialist governments and those by religious zealots are...  The scale... And the fact that the inhuman treatment of people is the norm for Socialist governments, and is the exception with Christianity.



Are you serious?

I'm no fan of socialism or nazism but they still pale in comparison to what religion has done to the human race. By just focusing on the abrahamic religions you have milleniums of opression, genocide and supression of science. The arab conquests, the crusades, the inquisition, the 30 years war, these are just a few of the highlights we can rack up to religion. And don't you remember what happened a couple of years ago with the WTC and what followed after? It wasn't socialism, it wasn't facism and it wasn't nazism. It was religios fuckheads serving their higher power.

And second, socialism and facism is like night and day. Both of them are extreme political ideologies but there's some pretty big differences between them. And laslty Hitler was a catholic and viewed himself as a servant of god against the enemies of christianity and if I remember it correctly he even had the popes blessing. I don't have a problem with people being religous around me, I have a problem with religion itself and what it can do to people.

As for the topic, I doubt religious nutjobs would be a problem over here, lack of religion being on the perks with living Sweden.

I'm very serious.  10's of millions of folks were killed by Socialist governments and movements around the world during the 20th century.  Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot...  to name the most evil of the bunch.

You add all of the "religious" wars and persecutions up and it doesn't come close to the number and scope of the horrors committed by Socialists.  9/11 and all of the terrorist acts and wars that have followed suit don't compare, yet, to even Pol-Pot's killing fields.  More than one million Cambodians were murdered by the Khmer Rouge.  That's somewhere around 20% of the population at the time.  That's not to say evils haven't been committed in the name of one religion or another, but never on that scale.


Communism and Fascism are both Socialist at their core.  Hitler's party, the NAZI party was a shorting of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.  Mussolini was a Socialist.  The branding of Fascism/Nazism as right-wing was done by communist "intellectuals" to differentiate themselves from Fascism/Nazism.  IE Propaganda. 

Hitler did not have the Pope's blessing, and the Nazis put a lot of christian religious figures in concentration camps for speaking out against the Nazis.  The Nazis used a lot of pre-christian mythology to promote their agenda.

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