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Ok so here is the thing.  If they are the walking dead, how do the dead walk. There is no metabolization of anything for energy, and by energy I mean adenosine-triphosphate(ATP). I mean I can understand the little bit of muscle movement, because calcium is used by the body to use the muscle, and the Virus does in fact continue to use the motor functions of the Cerebellum.  However, if Oxygen is the terminal electron acceptor in the electron transport system, then none of the biological movements sould be possible. Please Zombie experts, help me in my curiosity.

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Actually it is one of those questions that we all have speculated about at one time or another. Based on current knowledge of physics and biology they are impossible. But remember at one time flight, heart transplants, electricity, atomic energy, the clapper etc etc etc......were not even dreamed of much less thought possible so there is hope we will see an  explainable zombie uprising in our lifetime.


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I am not even worried about zombies, I am worried about a virus either like the Rage virus, Morningstar, accelerated Rabies like in Quarentine. The dead can rise, because unless a new virus emerges they will be pretty slow if you count normal decay. But those other viruses with living people basically hyped up on aggression is not only more likely but also harder to deal with in my opinion
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Watch Romero's Day of the Dead.  Dr. Frankenstien was onto something.


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Watch Romero's Day of the Dead.  Dr. Frankenstien was onto something.


 I don't want them to do anything but drop over!

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In the book world war Z the brain was rewired. in MorningStar the brain is pretty much cooked by fever kind of a rewiring job there too. If the brain is living without the need for anything else it would still be making the electricity to fire the muscles to make the dead walk but as in the book once they are dead they are slow as crap. A Rage virus is a cooking brain making the person go nuts. i hope that helps you some

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In the book world war Z the brain was rewired. in MorningStar the brain is pretty much cooked by fever kind of a rewiring job there too. If the brain is living without the need for anything else it would still be making the electricity to fire the muscles to make the dead walk but as in the book once they are dead they are slow as crap. A Rage virus is a cooking brain making the person go nuts. i hope that helps you some

Pretty much what I said.  Glad someone could spell it out.  All I did was try to find a video on youtube.


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Don't try to apply science fact to science "fiction".  The Walking Dead or Zombies are in the realm of pure fiction.

However, a rage virus based on prions, i.e. a virus which attacks certain areas of the brain, which then causes uncontrolled emotions or actions, seems a very real danger to me and well within scientific possibility.


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Zombieland went with the whole mutated mad cow disease type.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but mad cow disease and the like are prion diseases.

I'm with Doc, I wouldn't be surprised if some sort of weird rabies type deal spun off of that stuff sooner or later.  Now whether it'd become like... A zombie type outbreak or something similar, I dunno.  I wouldn't discount the possibility of someone going nuts from it though.

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I wasn't really trying to apply actual science to science fiction. In fact I was just curious as to what your response would be. I mean everybody has a different interpretation. Just trying to start up a friendly debate between what would be possible if the science fiction were applied toward actual science.

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Just trying to start up a friendly debate between what would be possible if the science fiction were applied toward actual science.


I say we write Bill Shatner and make him explain what makes Z's tick.


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They're.... Not-from-this-world....!


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I imagine speculating about the walking dead and what could possibly make them tick has crossed all of our minds at one time or another. As improbable as they are in reality...as we know it...they are still fun to think about.

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Actually, I never really thought about it. Never really cared either. I like the whole zombie genre and much of the vampire type genre (that's not all chicked out like New Moon). Being a fan of fiction in all it's glory, I just accept that in these stories such things are possible and enjoy the tale.


Besides, I'm an engineer. You want to know how and why a gas turbine works or internal combustion engine or the like functions, I'm your man. How the body works is a bit of a mystery. Hell, from my point of view a bumble bee is incapable of flight. Don't tell the bees though...

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I am not even worried about zombies, I am worried about a virus either like the Rage virus, Morningstar, accelerated Rabies like in Quarentine. The dead can rise, because unless a new virus emerges they will be pretty slow if you count normal decay. But those other viruses with living people basically hyped up on aggression is not only more likely but also harder to deal with in my opinion

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you know i was just talking about this with my girl friend over pizza. I think i understand Morningstar better now. as i said in the first posting "the brain is pretty much cooked by fever kind of a rewiring job there too. If the brain is living without the need for anything else it would still be making the electricity to fire the muscles to make the dead walk but as in the book once they are dead they are slow as crap." I believe what Z was doing with the fever was causing the adrenal gland to go wild pumping so much adrenalin into the blood that  you would have almost a superman. That is how the rage zombie works. As in Morningstar when you shoot a rage zombie he dies. I believe the fever has cooked the front of the brain causing the brain to become a total self substantiating organ. This could be possible if you rewire it to recharge its self from its own firing. Kind of like the car battery recharges from the alternator. by doing this the brain could stay kind of alive using the brain steam. Now if you remember the brain steam is all a dog or cat or most other animals really use. so if the body was all ready full of adrenalin and was now just using the brain steam. you would have a full out zombie which would only know how to kill and eat. Now i come to a problem why do they not kill each other? This part i see kind of like a lion not killing another lion but killing anything else. Maybe they know each other some how.

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You point is ok. However, I must say that you may need a little bit of education on how the brain works, and the body's immunity response system.

The thermo-regulation center of the brain is the hypothalamus. Which is located right above the pituitary gland. There are seven activating hormones in the anterior/frontal lobe of the pituitary, and 2 other hormones that control growth (HGH, HCG).  When the body has an infection, there is an immune response that progresses. Fever being one of those responses. The brain stem does nothing more than control the autonomic nervous system. This is the area of the brain that happen to control breathing, digestion, heart beat, and other functions that do not require you control them.

The adrenal gland is located on the kidneys. The reason is becuase in nature the body's fight or flight response is really controlled by blood pressure. Blood pressure is regulated by the kidneys by either stimulating thirst by releasing ADH(antidiuretic Hormone) and causing the blood pressure to increase by increrasing blood volume, or by peeing, which decreases blood pressure by decreasing blood volume. Adrenaline is known as little hormone called epinephren, and the oppiste hormone of epinephren is known as norepinephren.

As for the rewiring of the front part of the brain for it to become a self sustaining organ. Here is another tid bit of infor. THe frontal lobe of the brain really controls the right or wrong complex, and long term memory. So cooking it until the brain rewires may be possible. but not in the frontal lobe. However a self sutaining organ must have some sort of fuel. Brain's "food" is carbohydrates. That's right eating fish is not the food of choice for your brain. It is really carbs. Specifically glucose. That is the reason why your body metabolizes sugars by using inuslin, breaking down the sugars, or glucagon, raising up the sugars.

I don't know why I am rambling. Sorry. Whenever an anotomy debate comes up I am almost an anatomy book.
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