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Hi Everyone,

With the cooperation of Zach's parents Permuted Press is in the process of taking over administration of the Morningstar website and forum.  Though some things will change, we're not sure precisely what or to what extent at this point.

The first step is moving themorningstarsaga.com domain and web pages over to Permuted's server.  I've begun this process, so you may see some down time on the website over the next few days.  This process won't effect the forum--as long as you're using the address http://morningstarsaga.websitetoolbox.com you'll be able to get here.

Update 1/7/10:  The forum will remain as-is at the current location, no move or merge.

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So are the forums gonna be merged as well or be kept seperate?


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So are the forums gonna be merged as well or be kept seperate?



Don't know yet. 

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Well we had a good run.


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Well we had a good run.



The run's not over!  The only thing changing immediately is the hosting for the website.  The options for the forum haven't been explored yet.

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Im thankful that permuted is helping, but i hope there isnt some hidden motive.
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***I changed my post.


If Permuted wants this forum and Z's family wants him to have control over it, then fine. I hope everything works out and this continues to be a place where everyone can come and be themselves.

If this is how it's going to be though, I'm moving on. I'm banned over at the Permuted forum, and if there's a merge of some sorts I probably won't be able to post anyway. It was nice knowing you guys. I'm creating a website and forum of my own anyway to start promoting my book No Redemption For The Dead, and post updates on its progress. If anyone wants to keep in touch with me, my email is zombie.diva@yahoo.com.

Thanks guys for all of the years and lovely memories. I love you!
 


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My post wasn't intended to cause any sort of uproar, I just wanted everyone to be aware that the site/forum is under Permuted's care moving forward--particularly that the website itself might be inaccessible while the transition to our web host occurs.  I didn't want anyone to panic and think everything was disappearing on them if they try to access the site and have a problem.

I understand that you guys are worried about the future of the forum.  At this point I just don't have enough information to say if it's going to stay as it is, move, or if some other plan will form.  I'm not familiar with the forum host and it's controls, and I don't know if it's even possible to move the forum.  But it's not in anyone's interest to let this community disappear, so it will definitely continue to exist in some form.

As I said in the first post, Z's parents are fully aware of what's going on and will remain in the loop.

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I support it.  Jacob's a good guy, I'm sure he wouldn't try to screw any of us over.

Just give him a chance, people.

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Update on the forum... It will remain as-is at the current location, no move or merge.
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I've kept my mouth shut diva but if you don't want to post here don't make big "goodbye everyone" post every time you do it. jesus christ its gotten real old real fast

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Well worse comes to worse RCS could reopen the ramage board.


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RCS took it to the other mods, and so far they will not unlock it. At least, that's what I was told in PM. I don't understand how Z's other place can be kept from the very people he created the place for. To FORCE us to stay here or leave to a completely different place not sanctioned by Z is ridiculous. Those of us who want to seek refuge at The Ramage should be able to do so. That's what it was created for (by Z) in the first place.

Please, by majority vote, we just want to have access to it. Open the gates.

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I don't understand how Z's other place can be kept from the very people he created the place for. To FORCE us to stay here or leave to a completely different place not sanctioned by Z is ridiculous. Those of us who want to seek refuge at The Ramage should be able to do so. That's what it was created for (by Z) in the first place.


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"[The Ramage] is a place Z and I made just in case the forums ever went down again."

As far as I can tell The Ramage wasn't intended by Z to be a place run in tandem with this forum, as an alternative to this forum, or as a "refuge" from this forum.  It was meant to be a backup forum if the primary forum went down.  But the primary forum hasn't gone down.

Nobody is forcing anyone to stay here (as if that were even possible).  I think it would be a shame to fracture this community with 2 different forums, but if the moderator's of The Ramage think it's appropriate to open it up now that's their call.

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This is true and you make a good point. However, the majority of the regs would prefer going there because we were not given a choice concerning this, our home. As far as the forum going "down", that perception is debateable.

You are more than welcome to run this place as you please, it is Z's legacy after all. But the option should still be open as far as where we'd prefer to stay.

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Stop this bickering it is tearing us apart!

Not really, but I always wanted to say that.

Any way, Diva, I do respect you a lot but, I think you just need to crack open a soft drink, sit by the window and watch the world go by.  It helps set everything into perspective for me; I also recommend Dr Pepper.

RCS, Sage and the other guy (Alex right?) are doing what is best for us.  They see no need to open the Ramage back up, and it makes sense to me as this site is still running fine and should do so for the foreseeable future.

Any way, I think we should all have a soft drink and a little ice cream.


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LOL! That is funny, but unfortunately you are only looking at this from your POV, and I see that you are happy to let things be. You have a right to your own opinion, just as I do. However, just because I am speaking up do not think for one minute that I am the only one who wants the Ramage reopened. Don't shoot the messenger, in other words.


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May I make a suggestion, Diva?  If you want a forum away from here then why don't you go start one?  You already said that was your plan anyway.  Then you get what you want, anybody who wants an alternative to this forum is free to join your forum, and we can stop the bickering about it on this forum.

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There is no bickering, as you keep putting it. How many times do I have to point out that the MAJORITY vote is for the Ramage or to have JL Bourne run this place. I know it is not what you or the mods might want to hear, but what you are basically saying is that I should shut my mouth and let it drop BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE ANYWAY.

I already stated, (why don't you post a link to that?) that nobody wants to leave, but we were not given a choice. The choice IS the Ramage or JL Bourne. Out of 19 votes so far, only 5 are content with the forum being under your control.

As far as me creating my own forum, that was already being done regardless, and it has nothing to do with this situation. Bringing that up is a moot point. I had announced that intention before any of this stuff went down on my social networking places. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Let me put this another way, if there IS any bickering going on, it is because you refuse to accept the fact that others outside of a very small contigency, would prefer something else, and you keep trying to ram it home that there is no choice, except to move on elsewhere if we do not like it.

There really is no bickering, only an attempt at discussion of options and free choice.

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Z's parents inherited his estate, Z's parents turned the website/forum  over to me to maintain.  You've said dozens of times that you're in contact with his family, so please feel free to direct your complaints about their decision directly to them.

I'm done going back and forth with you about it.

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That was already understood and addressed in the other thread. Z's parents are not at all privy to what is going on here, or to what Z's friends and fans would've wanted. As I understand it, as per an email I received from Chris Webb, YOU stepped up and offered to run this place to his parents BEFORE the obituary was even written or posted. So, of course they only considered you. With everything they had to do, and the grief they were going through I'm sure that they were very grateful for the offer. I'm not knocking that at all, it was very nice of you.

But ever since then you have made sure to continue being in contact with them and made sure that they understood and remembered your offer. To them there was no other choice. Perhaps the ball was dropped as far as making it known to them that there WERE other options. Or at least, keeping on top of it, as you surely have.

Regardless, if you are saying that I should take this up with his parents as a means to an end, then I think it might be a good idea to gather everyone up who is willing, and speak to them about this matter, see what we all want to do with this, and then present our opinions to the Recht family. Will it make a difference? I don't know. But I do know our biggest mistake was allowing ourselves the luxury of grieving and not thinking about what was going to happen with this forum, and letting the important people in this know how we felt.  

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Yes, my evil plan to take over this forum without asking you first has worked. 

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I am brand new to this site. I am apalled about how irrational Diva is, especially in light of Z's death. After reading her rants, I believe she is paranoid and definitely a "diva". I am sure Z would not have wanted to hear and see the crap she is posting

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Don't put words into my mouth. I never said you had an "evil plan". Anyone can read above that I said that you offered to help, and I even said that it was very nice of you.

See, you are the one wanting to make this out like it is bickering and fighting. When you change the meaning of my words, you are attempting to make this whole discussion out to be something else.

There was no evil plan, no hostile takeover, nothing of that sort. I NEVER SAID you had any of those intentions. What I did say was that none of us were given a choice, and if anything, it was just as much our own fault for not being more proactive in the process.

This is not about YOU or ME. This is about what is fair.

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I am brand new to this site. I am apalled about how irrational Diva is, especially in light of Z's death. After reading her rants, I believe she is paranoid and definitely a "diva". I am sure Z would not have wanted to hear and see the crap she is posting


Who asked you? And you don't even know Z, so shut the fuck up.

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