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*spoilers here*

Hey all,

Long time reader of these forums, first time writing something.
I have read all 3 books the moment they came out. I loved the first 2 books and the third was great as well seeing as what happened to Z.

i just got some remarks that i find strange in book 3:

number 1:
Mason suddenly turning into a zombie out of the blue! This should have been explained in the book somehow.

number 2:
It says in the book that kreuger got his night vision scope in hyattsburg when he got it from the sheriff in Abraham instead. (You can correct me if i am wrong here)

number 3:
I do not get what Sawyers interest was in burning down Abraham if he is just after a cure from the doctor.

number 4:
I thought in book 1-2 sawyer was just after mason/the doc for personal revenge and maybe some orders to bring the doc in. i thought he made up the part about the doc having a cure to get backup for his revenge but in book 3 he seems to really believe it as well. If he really believed the doc had a cure shouldn't he have asked about it when she was in a holding cell in book 1?

Don't take this as bashing on book 3 because i think the writer did a very good job putting the third book together!
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Mason suddenly turning into a zombie out of the blue! This should have been explained in the book somehow.

You're not the only one that thinks so; see the other thread in this forum about the virus and its "changes" in book 3.

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It says in the book that kreuger got his night vision scope in hyattsburg when he got it from the sheriff in Abraham instead. (You can correct me if i am wrong here)

You, sir, are correct.

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I do not get what Sawyers interest was in burning down Abraham if he is just after a cure from the doctor.

Abraham was a practice run for Omaha and beyond. Sawyer backed the raiders, after satellite intelligence identified Abraham as one of possibly many places that was supposed to be "the beginning of the new breadbasket for the RSA." For the town's continued defiance it received its measure of Carthaginian vengeance.

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I thought in book 1-2 sawyer was just after mason/the doc for personal revenge and maybe some orders to bring the doc in. i thought he made up the part about the doc having a cure to get backup for his revenge but in book 3 he seems to really believe it as well. If he really believed the doc had a cure shouldn't he have asked about it when she was in a holding cell in book 1?

This is probably your best question, and the one I can answer the straightest.

In the holding cell, he was getting information about the virus in order to secure the borders and put down outbreaks. All through the rest of that book, he also becomes more and more single-minded and delusional. Even while carriers were in the streets of Washington DC, he was in denial. And so, the last time we see Sawyer in book 1, he's reading the last thing Julie had left on the screen, about the research facility in Omaha.

In book 2, we hardly got to talk to or hear anything from Sawyer himself, but we learn that he's told everyone that will listen, Anna Demilio either has a cure or is heading out to manufacture it. (That's what we learn second-hand, through Mason's dialog with Derrick.) If that was it, I would agree that you could dismiss it as Sawyer's fabrication, but the RumInt that Anna has a cure was already mentioned in book 1, when the soldiers learn they're trying to meet up with the doc and Mason. I don't know if you've ever worked with government employees or the military, but that's how quickly word spreads. I would be willing to bet that if Sawyer had the last thing from book 1 on his mind, and then heard this same RumInt from another source, in his state of mind, he'd be more than willing to believe it.

By the time book 3 rolls around, he's even more single-minded than before, and completely megalomaniacal. Does any of that sound like the actions of a rational man?

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Don't take this as bashing on book 3 because i think the writer did a very good job putting the third book together!

Thank you for ending with that.


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I also would like to start out by saying the book was very well put together with all things considered. I have a few small things just bothering me really.
1. You never actually hear what happens to Hal and Herman Lutz. I know the Apache Gunship blows the radio building to shit but I figured we were going to see more from them with the vague description of "destroying everything inside".
2. What about the two remaining RSA soldiers locked in the room from Derek's trap? Were they ever dispatched?
3. WTF is up with Stone? At the museum it talks like he is one bad MOFO and it did seem like it. But with his demeanor I was really expecting more. Especially when it mentioned his "mercenary side" I was really expecting there to be more of a show down with Sawyer and maybe even some kind of history that would have struck the fear of god into Sawyer when the two came face to face.
4. I would like to say well done with "Huck" Finnegan, and Sawyer. Mark Twain would be proud lol.
All in all well done. Very action packed and unfortunately the last. It's a shame so many had to die. But better off as it leaves less for me to have to imagine them doing after this.
PS.5- Did I miss something or did Harris die or not? During the cut scene to him on the boat speaking with Rico I don't recall him actually dying in that, and later when Mason was attempting to get out of bed he "wished Harris was armed, and awake" not alive. But anyway Thank you for finishing this masterpiece of a saga, and thank you Z for giving it life in the first place.
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1. You never actually hear what happens to Hal and Herman Lutz. I know the Apache Gunship blows the radio building to shit but I figured we were going to see more from them with the vague description of "destroying everything inside".


Hal and Lutz are dead.

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2. What about the two remaining RSA soldiers locked in the room from Derek's trap? Were they ever dispatched?


They were not. If there is any justice in the MSS world, they were turned over to the remnants of the US government and... processed.

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3. WTF is up with Stone? At the museum it talks like he is one bad MOFO and it did seem like it. But with his demeanor I was really expecting more. Especially when it mentioned his "mercenary side" I was really expecting there to be more of a show down with Sawyer and maybe even some kind of history that would have struck the fear of god into Sawyer when the two came face to face.


Sorry. But he really does keep to himself, hah.

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4. I would like to say well done with "Huck" Finnegan, and Sawyer. Mark Twain would be proud lol.


Thank you.

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5- Did I miss something or did Harris die or not? During the cut scene to him on the boat speaking with Rico I don't recall him actually dying in that, and later when Mason was attempting to get out of bed he "wished Harris was armed, and awake" not alive.


Harris was dead, and Mason was in no shape to properly assess his condition from across the room.

Lots of dead folks come the end of book 3, and I've heard mixed feedback on that. All I can do is refer people to Z's words about the projected bodycount for Survivors:

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Only a handful are the eponymous survivors.

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thank you for your insights PotentialSpectre. The reason of mason turning should have been in the book from my stand of view. Not everyone comes to the forums online to find an explanation for what happened. I think it would have made more sense that commander Harris turned to a zombie instead seeing as his guts got ripped out. :-)


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It's entirely possible that you're right.

On the other hand, I don't believe authors should spoon-feed everything to the reader. If ever you read other works of mine, like Pavlov's Dogs (with D.L. Snell, out now) or Lords of Night (later this year) you'll probably have questions afterwards, and I'm okay with that.

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to the comment of about stone, i was surprised how "KICK ASS" he was. When the survivors first met with him i thought, great we got more zombie fodder in the group, then once the SHTF in the FAC he went KICK ASS rambo and i loved it. I kinda wish he would have had more time in the book. He quickly became a favorite character of mine =)

All in all i loved the book. 5/5


PS- thank you so much for being active in the community. I love how your willing to answer everyone's questions. Your awesome Spectre
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The thoughts and opinions of the fan community has always been very important. It's why I came here in the first place, and I got some very good, very helpful feedback from the good people here while I was working on Survivors.

I'm a fan myself, honestly. The Morningstar Saga was the first zombie world for me, the one that got it all started. I've read some really good zombie lit since, and this series will always stand a cut above the rest in my eyes.

Thank you for your feedback, and I'm glad you enjoyed the book. And thank you for re-registering!

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So most of my questions were answered reading this thread but one still bugs me.  Is Sherman dead?  They mention a big list of people they lost and it doesn't include Sherman.  Yet he did not make an appearance at the very end of the book.

PS. Great book!
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I believe Sherman was not dead at the end of the book. I wanted him  to have a line or so at the end but alas the end was the end.

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Oh yah PS one last thing. You and Z did this a few times and the last one was by far the worst of all was when Thomas said to Sherman "13 in the clip" I about shit. A command sergeant major would never call a Magazine a clip. Just a thing i know. And yah i know people use the word clip so the people reading will not think they want to load a playboy in the gun. But to read that a command sergeant major saying clip just made me scream.
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Four demerits for me, improper gun terminology.
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I really liked book 3. There were some oddities, but I got past them. Full name usage, the "Walking Dead" mod to the virus. No biggies.

A couple things that I liked were the small (or perhaps not so small to me) character dialogs. Examples being Juni and Brewster talking about name history, The Welder, Krueger pretending to be Hathcock.

I also particularly enjoyed the effects of Trev and Denton's deaths on Brewster. The small exchange between Brewster and the group while torturing the medic was great. By far my favorite character, he stepped up at the end, and I thought you nailed it.

I also had a feeling of dread each time you described Demillo handling the rats. On purpose or not, I felt each time something was going to happen, something bad. It was nice (and another detail like mentioned above) when she rationalized saving the infected rat from the furnace.

I enjoyed Krueger missing the Apache. I was expecting him to do something like that, and it was nice that he missed. It would have been predictable if he managed to take it down.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, you did great, the story ended great, and thank you for finishing if for me (us)!
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Oh yah PS one last thing. You and Z did this a few times and the last one was by far the worst of all was when Thomas said to Sherman "13 in the clip" I about shit. A command sergeant major would never call a Magazine a clip. Just a thing i know. And yah i know people use the word clip so the people reading will not think they want to load a playboy in the gun. But to read that a command sergeant major saying clip just made me scream.

As a non-military guy I didn't notice. After reading your post I did visualize Thomas saying "clip" with a smirk as if saying, I know we're not in the military anymore.
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Thank you very much for the read and for taking the time to register here to tell me about it. I appreciate that, and I'm glad you liked the book.
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