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i would also suggest you get some sort of solar power system. silicon solar has a good portable, 20 watt one, will recharge a car battery, or other battery powered equipment ie walkies, mp3, portable dvd player, only 4 lbs, but it is a bit pricey about 350, ive got one and it comes in real handy i do a lot of hiking and camping so i use it a lot and its easy to transport,


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I'm considering picking up an alice pack to use as my BOB. They're really cheap to pick up and I believe they're standard military grade.


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i have 2 bugout bags, 1 has survival necesseties like a survival guide, first aide, rope, paracord,26.5mm czech flare gun with 20 parachute flares,  leatherman skele tool,tomahawk,sling shot with some marbles, monocular,hand cranked radio, and maglite, and the only weapons in this one is a buck hunting knife, and a springfield armory m6 scout with a box of 50 .22 hornets and 20 .410 rounds, 10 slugs, 10 000 buck,  and 20 rounds of #6 shot. of and i have a little trap for small game, its like those bear traps but like 1/4 the size



my other also doubles as my shooting range bag, i have 200 rounds of 7.62x54mm for my m44 carbine and 100 rounds of 7.62 nagant ammo for my nagant revolver, range finder,cleaning kit, ear plugs, safety/sunglasses. 2 U.S. military smoke grenades plus about 20 smaller ones that are fuse lit.


both bags are relitively small so i have a book bag they both can fit in if i need too





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I got one, but it's a little on the heavy side for long treks.  Nuts and bolts:

Northface backpack
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Multi-tool
Extra Knife
Some dried food
Sardines
Metal Cup
Hydrogen Pyroxide
First Aid Kit
Large Tarp
Waterproof matches
Lightsticks
Fishing line, hooks, small tackle box
Axe
Bug Repellent
Rope

That's all I can think of from work but that's about it...



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I just added a calculator to mine, i was bored in math class and started thinking about all the ways one could come in handy
-figuring out gas and milage
-time to get somewhere
those are all my attention span would let me think lol

anyone got any other ideas?

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My BOB is not really for long term use, but in case of emergency. I keep it in my car and it has one of those self charging flashlights that you shake to increase the battery, a lighter, a blanket, a multi tool/knife, bottled water, tarp, granola/snacks, flare, mag lens, mirror, and iodine. There's also a small first aid kit.

I have other tools in the trunk and around my house, but I keep the bag of minimum stuff in case I need to carry it with me and for space saving purposes.

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Sorry, i should have been more clear. Im talking about my long term one. I also have a smaller one for other emergencies. My main one has 2 parts, one for survival equitment, the other for ammo and weapons.
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Do you actually own any guns? I have one I keep for safety, but it is kept locked up. I have access to rifles at my family's camping lodge, but I'd have to get there first. That place is well stocked and completely self sufficient. No electricity, no water source other than a hand pump outside. There is a fully stocked lake, and plenty of boats, canoes, and off road vehicles. The camp is one mile in from the main road, and we use the place for hunting and fishing. Plenty of game, and the land is heavily forested. It has several bedrooms, a large kitchen, living room/den with a huge stone fireplace. The lake even has a tiny island in it. My father and grandfather built the lake and the camp back in the 60's. It's not even on a map!


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yes, i have quite the little firearm collection. And you've definitely got it made with access to all of that. I live in the suburbs of a pretty big city so i'd need to take enough stuff to get far enough away.
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Do you actually own any guns? I have one I keep for safety, but it is kept locked up. I have access to rifles at my family's camping lodge, but I'd have to get there first. That place is well stocked and completely self sufficient. No electricity, no water source other than a hand pump outside. There is a fully stocked lake, and plenty of boats, canoes, and off road vehicles. The camp is one mile in from the main road, and we use the place for hunting and fishing. Plenty of game, and the land is heavily forested. It has several bedrooms, a large kitchen, living room/den with a huge stone fireplace. The lake even has a tiny island in it. My father and grandfather built the lake and the camp back in the 60's. It's not even on a map!



Unless someone lives there 24/7, in a PAW someone locally will break into your place and take it over. They would know about your private lake and the homes near there. Besides, one mile off a main road is not very far for someone new to the area to accidentally find it.

The intruders may even use your own rifles against you, if they can break into the safe.  Not a pleasant thought...

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One item I will add to my BOB in the future is an electronic book reader with solar recharging capability. I am just waiting for many of the survival books to be turned into electronic form. I keep asking Amazon for certain books to be uploaded by the publishers...

In addition, I would also add my very favorite novels for those long PAW winter nights with no heat and power.

Besides, there is also the question of which reader to buy; Kindle, Sony or the new Apple tablet?? Any thoughts out there?


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Doc, you have a very good point except for the fact that just about everyone up there in that area has a similar camp or access to one. My family does live in the immediate area and would head there first. The place is situated a mile off the road, but the drive leading into the woods is not paved, just dirt and very rocky, and the only marking for the driveway in is a path that is not easily recognized from the road because of the way the trees overhang, as well as there is some "posted" signs. (The ones you see in the woods attached to trees to mark private property.)

Also the main road it is off from is not a main road at all, but a back country road in upstate NY. The town of Parishville is the closest town and that town is so small that if you blink going through it, you'll miss it. There are a lot of natives up there and we guard our territory extremely closely, so although you are right about being careful of outsiders taking over the property, it is highly unlikely in this case.

And as far as others accidentally stumbling onto the property, well, let's put it this way, my cousin Randy was caught a few years back by border patrol with 70 lbs of marijuana in his car transporting it to another location. He never told the authorities where his grow operation was located, and he served only 2 years and the rest probation although they threatened him with a heavier sentence, (thanks to Tribal court.) Not once in over 30 years has anyone accidentally stumbled upon his spots, and my family owns several hundred acres of land all over upper New York State, Ontario, and Quebec. Now I'm not thumbing anything in the law's face, mind you. He deserved to get caught. I'm just trying to illustrate the depth of how guarded we all are of our property. (And other people too.)

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Doc, you have a very good point except for the fact that just about everyone up there in that area has a similar camp or access to one. My family does live in the immediate area and would head there first. The place is situated a mile off the road, but the drive leading into the woods is not paved, just dirt and very rocky, and the only marking for the driveway in is a path that is not easily recognized from the road because of the way the trees overhang, as well as there is some "posted" signs. (The ones you see in the woods attached to trees to mark private property.)

Also the main road it is off from is not a main road at all, but a back country road in upstate NY. The town of Parishville is the closest town and that town is so small that if you blink going through it, you'll miss it. There are a lot of natives up there and we guard our territory extremely closely, so although you are right about being careful of outsiders taking over the property, it is highly unlikely in this case.

And as far as others accidentally stumbling onto the property, well, let's put it this way, my cousin Randy was caught a few years back by border patrol with 70 lbs of marijuana in his car transporting it to another location. He never told the authorities where his grow operation was located, and he served only 2 years and the rest probation although they threatened him with a heavier sentence, (thanks to Tribal court.) Not once in over 30 years has anyone accidentally stumbled upon his spots, and my family owns several hundred acres of land all over upper New York State, Ontario, and Quebec. Now I'm not thumbing anything in the law's face, mind you. He deserved to get caught. I'm just trying to illustrate the depth of how guarded we all are of our property. (And other people too.)


I retract my earlier reservations.  Sounds like a perfect place for a sanctuary. Your family living nearby makes it very unlikely that anyone would have an opportunity to seize it.  In a PAW, the families living on the lake would make a great militia for the area. 

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My BOB:

SHTF BOB is a camelbak mule with:
extra pants
extra shirt
2 pairs of socks
small pocket atlas+ compass
Folding knife (CRKT M21)
Flashlight (Surefire G2l)
Batteries (CR123)
Cold steel kobun (On person)
Small FAK
Small binoculars
50+ feet of 550 chord
Lansky puck (For keeping my knives in tip top shape.)
And some other odds and ends that I forgot to list. And for my main BOB I have to reassemble it. I cannibalized it when I went camping.

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Fine, get your stupid fuckin' rope!

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Ok. It sounds like there are a lot of choices for the type of bag/backpack out there. Mine is an old military ALICE pack, 22x20x14, which now at around 50lbs, without water weight in canteens. I am now thinking about getting a Camelbak, with its external water bladder.

So what is your bag's overall dimensions/volume and its weight?? 

I have heard that paratroopers/rangers will carry as much as 75 lbs when they jump.  So unless you are 18 and in great shape, that weight is way too much for extended travel (beyond 20 miles).


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I'm considering picking up an alice pack to use as my BOB. They're really cheap to pick up and I believe they're standard military grade.


Would you just pick one of these up at an army navy surplus?  Are these water proof/resistant?
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I'm considering picking up an alice pack to use as my BOB. They're really cheap to pick up and I believe they're standard military grade.


Would you just pick one of these up at an army navy surplus? Are these water proof/resistant?


If it's nylon, then its water-resistant.  The older cotton ones were not.

Check http://www.sportmansguide.com. They had used A.L.I.C.E. Packs on sale last time I looked at the military catalog. Something like $50 bucks or so. Cheaper if you are a buyer's club member. Their products run out fast, so don't hesitate if you are truly interested.

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Very nice Doc.  thanks for the link! the price right now is $49.97 for the metal frame pack.  and its nylon. Just for the hell of it i'm gonna check my local ANS to potentialy avoid shipping costs.  thanks again for the tip.

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How many of you train on a regular basis with your bags?  And if not, how long do you think you could hump that sucker around (don't say it UH, or ZH).
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How many of you train on a regular basis with your bags?  And if not, how long do you think you could hump that sucker around (don't say it UH, or ZH).


To be perfectly honest, not very often. I hope to get out of town by driving down a Metra rail line, then start humping, when forced to leave the vehicle...

If it kills me when I am forced to hump it, then I figure I was meant to die in the PAW.

However, I have tried to keep the weight under 50lbs by buying the lightest and smallest of items. I would not carry much water, since my area is fairly wet with lakes, rivers, and ponds/streams... Food for two weeks, with the hope of getting more on the road.

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How many of you train on a regular basis with your bags?  And if not, how long do you think you could hump that sucker around?

Honestly, I haven't even put mine together yet. I think of things to put in it and what to use and all that stuff, but I seriously never get around to putting any of it together. Though, I do have all the stuff I need in one room of my house. It's just a matter of putting it in a bag efficiently.

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The water in an around this town, being the birthplace of the Manhattan Project as well as other highly radiated projects, being unsuitable for consumption I'll have to hump my own water until I'm out of town.  Hopefully I would be able to use the car to exfil.


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