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Your in a busy area, maybe a shopping mall, a main street. The rising has started by patient zero who is right in front of you.

It has attacked one person and continues to feed on the victims neck. It wont be long till it is two zeds and on and on. But you have the opportunity to stop the rising. Take out the two infected, but you only have a pocket knife at hand.

We are talking sprinters here and infection rate is very quick. Would you risk your life to prevent the uprising or use the ensuing chaos to leg it  so you have a the upper hand in readiness? 

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Tough call.

Likely I wouldn't understand what I was seeing at first.  (Despite being a big fan of the genre, it's a huge leap to accept zombies as reality, I would think.)  If I did identify what I was seeing in time, I think I would run for it.  A pocket knife is not the ideal weapon for dispatching zeds.  I might try to hunt down a proper weapon and return, but I would think I would have the sense to not take on the walking dead with just a pocket knife.

Then there is the pesky thing that the authorities my not believe you killed the undead, but instead committed homicide.  If you know what I mean.

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Then there is the pesky thing that the authorities my not believe you killed the undead, but instead committed homicide.  If you know what I mean.

Hit the nail on the head with that for me. When faced with some thing that could potentially destroy civilization, the self preservation kicks in, in some strange forms.

Destroy the source of an epidemic and possibly face jail or even the chair. Damned if you do and damned if you dont. 

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Then there is the pesky thing that the authorities my not believe you killed the undead, but instead committed homicide.  If you know what I mean.

Hit the nail on the head with that for me. When faced with some thing that could potentially destroy civilization, the self preservation kicks in, in some strange forms.

Destroy the source of an epidemic and possibly face jail or even the chair. Damned if you do and damned if you dont. 

You two have it.  That's why i always have, "flight" on my mind.

I'd use this opportunity to get me and mine to the hide out faster, aswell.

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First guess would be I'm looking at a meth head on a three alarm freak out. If you are really talking about a resistant pathogen or dead rising and it (patient zero) has all ready made it into a busy shopping mall or downtown metropolis it's way to late. Patient zero probably passed on the pathogen a few times and they are now new vectors doing the same.

If I'm thinking it's a dust head and I'm on my own I probably wouldn't be the hero to be honest. I wouldn't count on any help from the other people in the area.

If it sinks in that I'm on ground zero for the outbreak of the millennium I would make Carl Lewis proud.

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Same here if I knew for sure that it is patient zero I would find the heaviest thing in reach and clobber it to mush and worry about the law later. But in the real world you probably wouldn't know if the motive for the attack is a drunken or drug induced brawl, mugging or just some run of the mill nut. I have stepped in and finished a fight where I thought a person genuinely needed help but it was just a beat down to help a victim not to utterly destroy the attacker.
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I would run. I do understand to killing them will stop the spread of infection, but I really do not want to be arrested for murder.


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I would run. I do understand to killing them will stop the spread of infection, but I really do not want to be arrested for murder.

And possibly rot in a cell while the rising's happening.


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It is unrealistic to have the ability to stop a plague with patient zero. Great ethical question but not practical. When they were screaming to seal the border with Mexico during what we lovingly called the H1N1 Flunami it was a total joke. You can't seal a virus outside your boarder. Not in this day and age of mass transit. This is what I LOVED about the Morningstar Strain. Set up a whole lot of fire power at Suez but in the end it won't do you any good. It's all ready around the world much like the flu every year.

I'm with RCS. Jumping into a fight with a pocket knife and offing someone regardless of your intentions is going to get you some new lodgings and a boyfriend to shower with. You will get to starve or worse if civilization falls in your little 8X10. You could all ways tell them you were saving the world and get sent to the acorn academy instead but that will end the same. Possibly infected as well which would defeat the purpose of risking all. I wouldn't be much good to anyone either way unless I run.

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here see what happened....

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/13/canary.islands.supermarket.beheading/index.html?hpt=P1&iref=NS1




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That's pretty fucked up and horrible. Damn, dude. 
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Ditto.


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Those wacky Bulgarians. 
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i'd ride it out then see if the situation demands i move.

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Unless your Duke Nukem you can't fight the whole city. Remain hidden and ride it out!


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If I'm reading it right, the original question says patient zero has killed and infected the first victim, who has in tern risen and begun his/her zombastic shenanigans.

If that's the case, I think being arrested is out of the question.  If you bludgeoned the shit out of two or three people who were going on a kill-crazy cannibalism spree in a busy place: 1. there would be witnesses to your heroism 2. there would probably be security camera footage of the incident, and 3. you would have the bodies of the infected as evidence. 

And unless they're the LAPD, they would see their contorted , rage-frozen faces and their milky-white eyes and decide to give them an autopsy, whereupon you would be lauded for stopping an outbreak of potentially pandemic proportions... All because you're a Romero fan in the right place at the right time.

You would sign the police report, "Hail to the king, baby," and take a damsel in distress home with you.


So I say fight   But only if you can find something bigger and heavier than your pocketknife.
Otherwise revert to what AvtomatJ said.


editor's note: doomsday has been drinking
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    Well if the one person attacked and killed the other in front of you, the law says you may try to stop the attack and the use of deadly force is legal. Chances are that you would be bitten if all you had was a pocket knife.But if you are like a lot of the fine folk here in NC you may have a CC permit and a pistol, if you did and you shoot patient zero you may at lest stop him with a shot to the chest long enough for the law to put him down for good but most likely if he is a sprinter he will revive at the morgue and here we go again.You may get your 15 min of fame before the rest of the world goes to hell around you.

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The flip side to that line of thought is that this is truly patient zero. There is no knowledge and may never be knowledge of a zombie virus due to your swift actions. There could be a lot less than admirable attention to two "people" getting their heads violently bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Lawsuit by family: absolute certainty. Charges depending on what state you are in: count on it. Media playing you like a nut house refugee: more than likely. That's kind of the beauty of the ethical question. Would you save the world a great ass kicking but royally screw yourself over for the rest of your life by doing so? (at least that's how I'm reading it) Everyone would owe you one but would never know it.

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Not necessarily.  The scenario describes patient zero has attacked (and killed) one person.  There will be witnesses and likely security camera footage.  Given the level of violence in your typical zombie attack the use of lethal force is justifiable and you probably would not go to jail.  Once patient zero's victim gets up and starts trying to attack you - then you can justify your own defense and again (given the level of violence displayed) you can justify lethal force.  It is standard procedure to perform autopsies on victims of violent crimes.  They may or may not recognize the corpses as zombies, depending on the physiological changes that have taken place.  If this is truly patient zero and his or her first victim (unlikely if we are talking Morningstar) then the world may never realize that some lone mall walker single-handedly stopped the zombie apocalypse.  On the other hand, if patient zero has already spread Morningstar via sexual transmission or other non-violent vector then your heroism may be recognized by surviving scholars as the first shot fired in the "Great Zombie War."

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Don't ever take me too seriously with this stuff. I like to argue for fun. Welcome by the way!

Yes autopsies are standard procedure but what do you really think it will show? Cause of death by blunt trauma to the head with most details focusing on that account. Patient/victim acting violent? What does the tox screen show? It's usually not rocket science from their perspective most of the time. No one is going to put much thought (or any money for that matter) into a bug that in it's entire history only involved two people if they bothered to look into it in the first place.

A lot of your absolution would hinge on how big of a threat you can sell your two victims as. That and how far you go to drop them. Would you keep hitting them in the head when they are down? It's not that easy to crush someones head. Takes some effort. I can't imagine that it would look to good for you from passersby as you do it. Do you really think people will not second guess your actions? You would also be beating down a "victim" with severe neck wounds. They are not going to recognize the corpses as zombies under almost any circumstances. Way to hard to believe and a definite career killer.

Easiest answer over all: Psycho one ran into psycho two and psycho three. Lots of violence and only one walked away. "Did you know the surviving nut was into zombies/video games/Dungeons and Dragons/owned guns/(fill in the blank)?"

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