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RixFire

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Hello everybody!
 

First of all let me say that I am somewhat new to this zombie fascination so I apologize for what may be a very amateur question.  In reading the Plague of the Dead one question keeps popping into my head.  You have sprinters and shamblers, sprinters being living carriers and shamblers being undead carriers.  I understand the abilities of shamblers being seriously hampered as they are dead and decaying; however I do not understand why the living infected seem to lose all ability to perform tasks.  Does the virus cause brain damage to the living preventing them from performing tasks such as driving or operating door handles?  Another question that I have is wouldn't the undead carriers eventually just expire?  If shooting them in the head, removing the head or any destruction of the brain stops them then wouldn’t their brain eventually rot to the point that the virus would no longer be able to use it?

 

Like I said, this may be a very amateur question, but I figured this is the place to get a good answer.

 

Thanks for any input.


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First off welcome to the forums.

Does the virus cause brain damage to the living preventing them from performing tasks such as driving or operating door handles?    YES

Another question that I have is wouldn't the undead carriers eventually just expire?
Don't know depends on the author.  In Z's Plague of the Dead he would be the best person to answer that.

 
If shooting them in the head, removing the head or any destruction of the brain stops them then wouldn’t their brain eventually rot to the point that the virus would no longer be able to use it? You would think so but again it depends on what type of undead story you happen to be reading. That would be another good good question for Z.

Actually now that you bring up some of these questions I too would like to know how they pertain to the morning star type of infected.

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Hello everybody!


Howdy. Welcome to the site.

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Does the virus cause brain damage to the living preventing them from performing tasks such as driving or operating door handles?


Indeed it does. The main symptom of an infected pre-turn is the high fever. If you've ever had one (103 degrees F/+), it's not unlike taking a massive dose of psychedelics. You will hallucinate, you can barely move, you can't think straight, hell, it's tough to talk right. The fever quite literally burns the higher consciousness out of the brain, leaving behind only baser instincts and, perhaps, a few hazy memories.


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Another question that I have is wouldn't the undead carriers eventually just expire?


Yes. They decay at a slower rate than an uninfected body, but eventually, their limbs will give out and they will become immobile. The brain would be the last organ to decay, as the virus will have concentrated itself there and, for the purposes of the story, the virus itself retards decay (perhaps it kills micro-organisms who attack its dead host, for example.) I would give them between one and three years of activity before reaching a point of decay that leaves them immobilized. Even then, they will still be "alive" for several more months, so be careful. They might snap at your leg as you walk by. Also, their fluids are teeming with Morningstar. Anything they leak can infect.

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If shooting them in the head, removing the head or any destruction of the brain stops them then wouldn’t their brain eventually rot to the point that the virus would no longer be able to use it?


Yes, though it would be the last organ to do so. I'd give the brain of an undead host 2-4 years before expiry (whereas everything else in the host has an expiry of 1-3.) Think of the brain cavity as the virus' Alamo. It is the place of its last stand in an undead host.

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Thank you for all of the helpful info.  Like i said this is all kinda new to me so i very much apperciate it.

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My pleasure. Also, I wrote this for the MS Wiki which is or is not currently being added on-to. I don't know. But it sheds further light on what you've asked:

The first symptoms of Morningstar resemble the flu. Muscle pain, hot and cold flashes, photosensitivity (that is, aversion to bright light), fever, and nausea are the most common initial effects. Eventually the fever burns hot enough to render the victim near-comatose; it is in this stage that any uninfected person should consider restraining the victim. The fever results in rapidly-increasing delirium, which eventually becomes dementia.

The dementia manifests in a form similar to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Victims can no longer access many higher brain functions. Among the symptoms of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease that Morningstar victims share are: rapidly progressing dementia, memory loss, speech loss, jerky movements (myoclonus), balance and coordination dysfunction (ataxia), change in gait, rigid posture and involuntary movements and seizures.

The victim becomes hyper-reactive to external stimuli, save those emanating from fellow victims. (The reason for this is currently unknown, but it is speculated that active carriers see in infrared, allowing them to identify the uninfected from the feverish (and hotter) sprinters as well as the undead, which are colder than the uninfected.)  In this phase, infected persons become overtly hostile to anything nearby that draws their attention. Violent attacks will occur unless the victim is properly restrained. Such attacks are obviously undesirable, as any contact with the victim's saliva or blood could lead to subsequent infection.

At this point the victim has suffered permanent brain damage from the fever, and can be classified as a stage one carrier. Symptoms stabilize in stage one. The fever will continue to burn, but will not worsen. While the stage one carrier no longer displays an appetite, they can linger for upwards of a month before dying of deprivation (starvation/thirst). Their hostile behavior will continue throughout this interval, with the stage one carrier attacking anything within reach. The virus, meanwhile, concentrates itself in the brain and spinal column, with lessening amounts to be found in the tissues of extremities, and continues to replicate.



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I was going to add a note that in the series, not enough time has passed to really see much rotting of the shamblers, which is why it is not addressed completely (if at all? I don't remember... I need to read em again, heh) in the book. However, I was sure Z had thought about it (as he apparently has ).

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I also kinda have a question, its been a couple of weeks since I read Plague of the dead, but I remember the scenes where the infected "ambushed" the gang. Now, I know that the infected dont ambush, but could someone remind me why the infected didnt attack them till they were just kind of standing around?

Are they like the L4D infected where they wont attack till startled and just wander or are they more of a dormant kind and wait for prey.


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I also kinda have a question, its been a couple of weeks since I read Plague of the dead, but I remember the scenes where the infected "ambushed" the gang. Now, I know that the infected dont ambush, but could someone remind me why the infected didnt attack them till they were just kind of standing around?


The survivors were moving silently through the town, and didn't attract any attention until they had effectively surrounded themselves with carriers. Then--once they made some noise--they got hit from every side, giving them the illusion of an "ambush," when in reality, they just stirred up the infected all at once.

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Are they like the L4D infected where they wont attack till startled and just wander or are they more of a dormant kind and wait for prey.


Sorta. Infected (living carriers) don't seem to like daylight. Neither do shamblers. They'll find a cool, shady spot to rest if there's nothing to draw their attention. The practical result of this is that by noon on any given day all the dark, cool buildings are filled with infected who aren't necessarily paying attention to the street outside...make some noise, however, and they all poke their heads out to see what it is.

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So Z-baby, are you a shambler, a sprinter or are you a brain?  From the book Eden.  They had brains in that story line.  They were the ones that would look as though they were thinking things out.  They would ambush you.......


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Look, read the book, the answer is in there. If you missed it, work on your reading comprehension. The answer is the infection boils your brain during the fever killing all higher functions.

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Hmm, i quess it might be dangerous to blow the zombies to pieces as it would then cause the infected fluids to spread out everywhere.


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